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    Man Booked in Hammer Deaths of Vegas Mom, Child

    Man Booked in Hammer Deaths of Vegas Mom, Child - ABC News

    Man Booked in Hammer Deaths of Vegas Mom, Child

    Using a hammer as a weapon, a "complete stranger" with no significant criminal history allegedly chose a family at random and attacked them in their home, killing a woman and her daughter, in a brutal crime that left investigators both baffled and aghast.

    Bryan Clay, 22, was arrested Friday in the April 15 rape and bludgeoning deaths of 38-year-old Ignacia Martinez and 10-year-old Karla Martinez. He had no connection to the family of five, Lt. Ray Steiber said Saturday.

    "This was a complete stranger killing a mother and daughter and attacking the father," Steiber told The Associated Press. "I've been doing this (police work) 24 years, and you don't see cases like this. I can't even put this into words."

    Police were notified about the case when a 9-year-old boy, who was not injured by the attacker, came to school the next day and informed a counselor that his mom and sister were dead.

    Nothing was taken from the house, and investigators were unsure of the motive for the attack.

    "There's no rhyme or reason to why (it happened)," he said, adding Clay doesn't have a "significant" criminal history.

    Clay also was booked in the beating and rape of a 50-year-old woman in the same west Las Vegas neighborhood hours before the slayings.

    Steiber said he didn't know why the two boys, 9 and 4, were spared in the home invasion attack.


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    This story makes NO sense to me at all..

    Why were the two boys still in the home for 24 hours??

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    Re: Man Booked in Hammer Deaths of Vegas Mom, Child

    Lunatics happen, and they don't need sophisticated weapons to cause tragedy.


    If he had no significant criminal history, and no recorded issues of severe mental illness known, there isn't much that could have stopped this from happening.... unless the victims themselves could have been prepared to stop him.


    Very tragic incident, but fortunatly in a nation of 300 million-plus such things are statistically rare.


    I wonder if incidents like this make anyone think of the "muckers" (amok-ers) from "Stand on Zanzibar"?

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    Re: Man Booked in Hammer Deaths of Vegas Mom, Child

    So tragic - made me sick to my stomach to read.

    Wh were they still in the home? After bludgeoning two people to death why would the killer call chid protective services? Obviously - no one knew they were there and they are young children, the 9 yr old likely experienced traumatic emotional shock and might never be the same after this.

    Truely heinous.
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    Re: Man Booked in Hammer Deaths of Vegas Mom, Child

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    So tragic - made me sick to my stomach to read.

    Wh were they still in the home? After bludgeoning two people to death why would the killer call chid protective services? Obviously - no one knew they were there and they are young children, the 9 yr old likely experienced traumatic emotional shock and might never be the same after this.

    Truely heinous.
    A 9 year old is capable of calling 911 or a neighbor..

    And yes.. the survivors are no doubt horribly traumatised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    A 9 year old is capable of calling 911 or a neighbor..

    And yes.. the survivors are no doubt horribly traumatised.
    Please do not pretend that a 9yr old in this horrific situation - after seeing what he saw and hearing what he heard - will be thinking 'normally' - I know adults who couldn't function after such a horrific incident. . . do not undercut this poor child and turn him into some sort of failure because he didn't think to call 911. I think he's gone through quite enough.

    He thought to go to school and tell someone - isn't that good enough for you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Please do not pretend that a 9yr old in this horrific situation - after seeing what he saw and hearing what he heard - will be thinking 'normally' - I know adults who couldn't function after such a horrific incident. . . do not undercut this poor child and turn him into some sort of failure because he didn't think to call 911. I think he's gone through quite enough.

    He thought to go to school and tell someone - isn't that good enough for you?
    Fair enough............

    Good enough for me?

    I am not sure where you come up with that..

    I feel very sorry the children spent 24 hours in the house with dead bodies and an injured father.

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    Re: Man Booked in Hammer Deaths of Vegas Mom, Child

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Please do not pretend that a 9yr old in this horrific situation - after seeing what he saw and hearing what he heard - will be thinking 'normally' - I know adults who couldn't function after such a horrific incident. . . do not undercut this poor child and turn him into some sort of failure because he didn't think to call 911. I think he's gone through quite enough.

    He thought to go to school and tell someone - isn't that good enough for you?
    No one can predict with any degree of certainty how they would react in this very arcane situation. The fact that the 9 year old had the wherewithal to go to school and report this is amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    Fair enough............

    Good enough for me?

    I am not sure where you come up with that..

    I feel very sorry the children spent 24 hours in the house with dead bodies and an injured father.
    *facepalm*

    Babe - you were puzzled by the fact that this 9yr old didn't call 911 You were blank over how they were home for 24 hours before anyone found out - but didn't take pause to question just what the **** happened to this psycho douche to drive him to kill people like that.

    Your inner debater is focusing on the WRONG issues here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    No one can predict with any degree of certainty how they would react in this very arcane situation. The fact that the 9 year old had the wherewithal to go to school and report this is amazing.
    yes - absolutely amazing. Good for him.

    And I'm glad they took him seriously, too - and checked into it. Doesn't always happen like that when kids do the right thing.
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    Re: Man Booked in Hammer Deaths of Vegas Mom, Child

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    *facepalm*

    Babe - you were puzzled by the fact that this 9yr old didn't call 911 You were blank over how they were home for 24 hours before anyone found out - but didn't take pause to question just what the **** happened to this psycho douche to drive him to kill people like that.

    Your inner debater is focusing on the WRONG issues here.



    yes - absolutely amazing. Good for him.

    And I'm glad they took him seriously, too - and checked into it. Doesn't always happen like that when kids do the right thing.
    They caught the cruddy psycho.. and yes most children can call 911 by age 5.............

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    Re: Man Booked in Hammer Deaths of Vegas Mom, Child

    Quote Originally Posted by sharon View Post
    They caught the cruddy psycho.. and yes most children can call 911 by age 5.............
    Under these circumstances?

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