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Mexico Seized 68,000 Guns Traceable to U.S.

Obama and his minions screw the pooch and team Obama is blaming Bush again.

SHOCKING I TELL YOU

i swear if liberals spent as much time trying to fix problems as they did blaming bush,we would all be swimming in a sea of gold,but obviously blaming someone is easier than fixing a problem or admitting you screwed up.
 
i swear if liberals spent as much time trying to fix problems as they did blaming bush,we would all be swimming in a sea of gold,but obviously blaming someone is easier than fixing a problem or admitting you screwed up.

some people here can never admit to the obvious.
 
It says it traced 68K guns back to the USA. I heard today, flipping channels in the car, that they have confiscated over 300K guns... also that most guns they trace average to be about 15 years old. So how 'update' is their data? And what is the total number of guns for sure. If only 68K of 300K came from America, then the picture is quite different than the anti-gun folks want painted.
 
It says it traced 68K guns back to the USA. I heard today, flipping channels in the car, that they have confiscated over 300K guns... also that most guns they trace average to be about 15 years old. So how 'update' is their data? And what is the total number of guns for sure. If only 68K of 300K came from America, then the picture is quite different than the anti-gun folks want painted.
Only morons actually believe that American gun laws have anything to do with violence in a country as corrupt as Mexico and only dishonest obamamites claim that cracking down on legitimate American gun dealers is a relevant response
 
It says it traced 68K guns back to the USA. I heard today, flipping channels in the car, that they have confiscated over 300K guns... also that most guns they trace average to be about 15 years old. So how 'update' is their data? And what is the total number of guns for sure. If only 68K of 300K came from America, then the picture is quite different than the anti-gun folks want painted.

that just backs my claims that most the cartel guns come from other countries through the black market.why buy a ruger mini 14 from the us and smuggle it when its easier to get full auto ak-47s and other foreign military grade weapons for pennies on the dollar of what it costs to smuggle it from america.the only reason i can see them wanting our guns is quality over black market guns,and they have the money to afford it.
 
Obama and his minions screw the pooch and team Obama is blaming Bush again.

SHOCKING I TELL YOU

Says the guy who accuses ME of mistating what others say. :lol:

I'm not "blaming" Bush or Obama. Trying to prevent gun smuggling from the U.S. to criminals across the border is just being a good neighbor.

But you have an obvious logic problem if you're claiming that Obama just did it as an underhanded way to attack U.S. gun owners ... unless you think that Bush was also engaged in a sneaky attack on gun owners' rights. Is that what you're saying?
 
Says the guy who accuses ME of mistating what others say. :lol:

I'm not "blaming" Bush or Obama. Trying to prevent gun smuggling from the U.S. to criminals across the border is just being a good neighbor.

But you have an obvious logic problem if you're claiming that Obama just did it as an underhanded way to attack U.S. gun owners ... unless you think that Bush was also engaged in a sneaky attack on gun owners' rights. Is that what you're saying?

the fast and furious program under Obama was designed to create ammunition for the anti gun elements in the administration to justify further restrictions on american FFL holders.
 
the fast and furious program under Obama was designed to create ammunition for the anti gun elements in the administration to justify further restrictions on american FFL holders.

But the almost identical Bush program was not, is that what you're trying to say? Can you explain the difference? Do you have any evidence to support the motive you ascribe to the Obama program, other than pure partisan hackery and right wing paranoia?
 
But the almost identical Bush program was not, is that what you're trying to say? Can you explain the difference? Do you have any evidence to support the motive you ascribe to the Obama program, other than pure partisan hackery and right wing paranoia?

the atf used to list the number of untrackable illegally made guns,since obamas administartion they have onlylisted trackable guns,the fact they blame 100% of guns in mexico on the us,but cant list how many untrackable guns shows they have an agenda.

unlike td though i dont believe its for anti gun purposes,i believe its because the atf would lose funding and staff due to lessening crimes in america between the bush and obama terms.
 
the atf used to list the number of untrackable illegally made guns,since obamas administartion they have onlylisted trackable guns,the fact they blame 100% of guns in mexico on the us,but cant list how many untrackable guns shows they have an agenda.

unlike td though i dont believe its for anti gun purposes,i believe its because the atf would lose funding and staff due to lessening crimes in america between the bush and obama terms.

They don't blame 100% of the guns in Mexicon on the US. That's bull****. I believe it's ONLY about 20%.

Do you think we would have a problem with Mexico if 20% of the guns used in crimes here came from Mexico? I think Americans would have a big problem with it.
 
They don't blame 100% of the guns in Mexicon on the US. That's bull****. I believe it's ONLY about 20%.

Do you think we would have a problem with Mexico if 20% of the guns used in crimes here came from Mexico? I think Americans would have a big problem with it.

yes quite the red herring,but keep going maybe someone will fallfor it:)
 
yes quite the red herring,but keep going maybe someone will fallfor it:)

What, you're not going to try to defend your bogus claim? :roll:
 
What, you're not going to try to defend your bogus claim? :roll:

well you seem to believe we should stop us gun traficking rather than attack the actual problem,your actual statement was a red herring,you attacked the fact that most guns dont come from america,and looking solely at your past posts,you would defend anything the liberal agenda says to the death reguardless of proof.

so yes ill defend my claim,since every ban has failed,therefor any calles for action against guns will fail.

if you want more proof,i will show as much proof as you want that supply will exist if there is a demand,there is enough failure to prove it beyond a reason of a doubt,between prohibition and the war against drugs,attacking supply has never once worked,but go believe what you will,liberals say it works so obviously the tea party must be telling radical brainwashing lies again:roll:
 
But the almost identical Bush program was not, is that what you're trying to say? Can you explain the difference? Do you have any evidence to support the motive you ascribe to the Obama program, other than pure partisan hackery and right wing paranoia?

Except they weren't quite the same really.

Bush - a few hundred guns, tracking protocols in place, full notification with Mexican officials.

Obama - none of that, just a wing and a prayer and the most inept Attorney Gen and Justice Dept in my life time.
Oh and there is that other agenda, you know the one about control.
 
Except they weren't quite the same really.

Bush - a few hundred guns, tracking protocols in place, full notification with Mexican officials.

Obama - none of that, just a wing and a prayer and the most inept Attorney Gen and Justice Dept in my life time.
Oh and there is that other agenda, you know the one about control.

Except they were the same, really, other than the fact that F&F involved more guns. Under Bush the ATF and DOJ actually ran two gun walking operations involving a total of about 650 guns -- not a few hundred. In the first operation, "Wide Receiver", nearly all of the guns were lost in Mexico.
 
Except they were the same, really, other than the fact that F&F involved more guns. Under Bush the ATF and DOJ actually ran two gun walking operations involving a total of about 650 guns -- not a few hundred. In the first operation, "Wide Receiver", nearly all of the guns were lost in Mexico.

"But...but...but...Bush did it!"
 
They don't blame 100% of the guns in Mexicon on the US. That's bull****. I believe it's ONLY about 20%.

By the looks of the article They do or at least imply it the US is mostly responsible.
Mexico Seized 68,000 Guns Traceable to U.S. - TIME
The government said Thursday that 68,000 guns recovered by Mexican authorities in the past five years have been traced back to the United States.

The flood of tens of thousands of weapons underscores complaints from Mexico that the U.S. is responsible for arming the drug cartels plaguing its southern neighbor. Six years of violence between warring cartels have killed more than 47,000 people in Mexico.

Read more: Mexico Seized 68,000 Guns Traceable to U.S. - TIME




Do you think we would have a problem with Mexico if 20% of the guns used in crimes here came from Mexico? I think Americans would have a big problem with it.

I think ounce Americans realize that that 68,000 guns is only a trickle of 270 million plus firearms that Americans own, they won't.

If there was any problem it would be with the border being so inadequately secured that cartels managed to sneak weapons into the US and the government blatantly failed on its part to adequately secure our border.
 
Does this gunwalking scandal constitute another secret, undeclared war, by the Obama Admin., without the permission of the Congress ?

Impeachment anyone?
 
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You mean F&F? That was a sting operation (poorly) designed to track the source of the illegal trade. It was a lot of guns, but a drop in the bucket relative to number illegally crossing the border.

A sting operation, according to who? According to those same higher ups now refusing to answer subpeonas and testify? Like Watergate, its not just the crime, its the cover up where people get caught. There is more to this story, either an illegal for profit money making scheme or a secret war gone haywire, that leads all the way to the WH. Remember Nixon maintained the U.S. wasn't bombing Cambodia. Now we know otherwise.
 
. []I guess no one has figured out that people who can import and export billions of dollars of blow can also traffic in firearms rather easily

I believe a standing ovation is in order.
 
I believe a standing ovation is in order.

before you standing ovation,but but but we made it illegal therefore no one can smuggle guns or blow because the law says so:roll:
 
A sting operation, according to who? According to those same higher ups now refusing to answer subpeonas and testify? Like Watergate, its not just the crime, its the cover up where people get caught. There is more to this story, either an illegal for profit money making scheme or a secret war gone haywire, that leads all the way to the WH. Remember Nixon maintained the U.S. wasn't bombing Cambodia. Now we know otherwise.

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Does this gunwalking scandal constitute another secret, undeclared war, by the Obama Admin., without the permission of the Congress ?

Impeachment anyone?

before you standing ovation,but but but we made it illegal therefore no one can smuggle guns or blow because the law says so:roll:

A lot of conventional thinking around here, like horsies with blinders. NO one is asking the main question.Is it an impeachable offense? Why or why not? If the WH knew in advance, and have admitted as much, and the whole thing escalates into this uncontrolled bloodbath in Mexico, the Federal Government is liable, yes?
 
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