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    Re: Mexico Seized 68,000 Guns Traceable to U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    They don't blame 100% of the guns in Mexicon on the US. That's bull****. I believe it's ONLY about 20%.

    Do you think we would have a problem with Mexico if 20% of the guns used in crimes here came from Mexico? I think Americans would have a big problem with it.
    yes quite the red herring,but keep going maybe someone will fallfor it
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    Re: Mexico Seized 68,000 Guns Traceable to U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    yes quite the red herring,but keep going maybe someone will fallfor it
    What, you're not going to try to defend your bogus claim?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Mexico Seized 68,000 Guns Traceable to U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    What, you're not going to try to defend your bogus claim?
    well you seem to believe we should stop us gun traficking rather than attack the actual problem,your actual statement was a red herring,you attacked the fact that most guns dont come from america,and looking solely at your past posts,you would defend anything the liberal agenda says to the death reguardless of proof.

    so yes ill defend my claim,since every ban has failed,therefor any calles for action against guns will fail.

    if you want more proof,i will show as much proof as you want that supply will exist if there is a demand,there is enough failure to prove it beyond a reason of a doubt,between prohibition and the war against drugs,attacking supply has never once worked,but go believe what you will,liberals say it works so obviously the tea party must be telling radical brainwashing lies again
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    Re: Mexico Seized 68,000 Guns Traceable to U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    But the almost identical Bush program was not, is that what you're trying to say? Can you explain the difference? Do you have any evidence to support the motive you ascribe to the Obama program, other than pure partisan hackery and right wing paranoia?
    Except they weren't quite the same really.

    Bush - a few hundred guns, tracking protocols in place, full notification with Mexican officials.

    Obama - none of that, just a wing and a prayer and the most inept Attorney Gen and Justice Dept in my life time.
    Oh and there is that other agenda, you know the one about control.

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    Re: Mexico Seized 68,000 Guns Traceable to U.S.

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    Except they weren't quite the same really.

    Bush - a few hundred guns, tracking protocols in place, full notification with Mexican officials.

    Obama - none of that, just a wing and a prayer and the most inept Attorney Gen and Justice Dept in my life time.
    Oh and there is that other agenda, you know the one about control.
    Except they were the same, really, other than the fact that F&F involved more guns. Under Bush the ATF and DOJ actually ran two gun walking operations involving a total of about 650 guns -- not a few hundred. In the first operation, "Wide Receiver", nearly all of the guns were lost in Mexico.
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    Re: Mexico Seized 68,000 Guns Traceable to U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Except they were the same, really, other than the fact that F&F involved more guns. Under Bush the ATF and DOJ actually ran two gun walking operations involving a total of about 650 guns -- not a few hundred. In the first operation, "Wide Receiver", nearly all of the guns were lost in Mexico.
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    Re: Mexico Seized 68,000 Guns Traceable to U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    They don't blame 100% of the guns in Mexicon on the US. That's bull****. I believe it's ONLY about 20%.
    By the looks of the article They do or at least imply it the US is mostly responsible.
    Mexico Seized 68,000 Guns Traceable to U.S. - TIME
    The government said Thursday that 68,000 guns recovered by Mexican authorities in the past five years have been traced back to the United States.

    The flood of tens of thousands of weapons underscores complaints from Mexico that the U.S. is responsible for arming the drug cartels plaguing its southern neighbor. Six years of violence between warring cartels have killed more than 47,000 people in Mexico.

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    Do you think we would have a problem with Mexico if 20% of the guns used in crimes here came from Mexico? I think Americans would have a big problem with it.
    I think ounce Americans realize that that 68,000 guns is only a trickle of 270 million plus firearms that Americans own, they won't.

    If there was any problem it would be with the border being so inadequately secured that cartels managed to sneak weapons into the US and the government blatantly failed on its part to adequately secure our border.
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    Re: Mexico Seized 68,000 Guns Traceable to U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    "But...but...but...Bush did it!"

    yep, for sure. Sad isn't it?
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    Re: Mexico Seized 68,000 Guns Traceable to U.S.

    Does this gunwalking scandal constitute another secret, undeclared war, by the Obama Admin., without the permission of the Congress ?

    Impeachment anyone?
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    Re: Mexico Seized 68,000 Guns Traceable to U.S.

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You mean F&F? That was a sting operation (poorly) designed to track the source of the illegal trade. It was a lot of guns, but a drop in the bucket relative to number illegally crossing the border.
    A sting operation, according to who? According to those same higher ups now refusing to answer subpeonas and testify? Like Watergate, its not just the crime, its the cover up where people get caught. There is more to this story, either an illegal for profit money making scheme or a secret war gone haywire, that leads all the way to the WH. Remember Nixon maintained the U.S. wasn't bombing Cambodia. Now we know otherwise.

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