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    Re: Three White Men Convicted of Hate Crimes

    So you think there are valid reasons to rape,murder or rob someone?
    I cannot fathom when rape or murder would ever be justifiable under any motive. I don't care how evil or innocent a person might be, it doesn't mean she deserves to be raped or killed. But I do see shades of gray for the crime of theft, in the sense that some robberies seem more tragic than others. We're less likely to feel sorry for the arrogant billionaire who loses a couple hundred dollars from an unscrupulous bookie than we are for the blue collar octogenarian grandmother mugged outside the soup kitchen.

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    Re: Three White Men Convicted of Hate Crimes

    its funny how haters of hate-crime laws think that motivation should never be taken into account when choosing a charge or a punishment for the crime.

    or at least, that appears to be their failed misunderstanding.

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    Re: Three White Men Convicted of Hate Crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    its funny how haters of hate-crime laws think that motivation should never be taken into account when choosing a charge or a punishment for the crime.

    or at least, that appears to be their failed misunderstanding.
    I do not think anyone has said that motivation should not be taken into account.We find that putting one 1st degree murder victim above another 1st degree murder victim because of race,sex,sexual preference or some other non-issue to be idiotic. Justice should be blind.
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    Re: Three White Men Convicted of Hate Crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Prosecuting as a hate crime is silly. Did they commit the crime with hate in their heart? If so, then it's something to be considered during the sentencing phase of a trial, but putting that into a hate crime law really does nothing, other than to add yet another silly-assed law to a legal system that is already bloated with silly-assed laws.
    I agree dan... This hate crime thing is out of control...its being used as a weapon...does anyone really think men with a character that can rape really just look for women of one color...please...some rapists rape 85 yr old women....

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    Re: Three White Men Convicted of Hate Crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    its funny how haters of hate-crime laws think that motivation should never be taken into account when choosing a charge or a punishment for the crime.

    or at least, that appears to be their failed misunderstanding.
    No, I believe that it should be taken into account when choosing punishment, but not when charging with a crime. Murder is murder. Period. Shouldn't be hard to prove it. Did the perp shoot someone? Did that shooting kill the person? Pretty cut and dried, if you ask me. When sentencing comes about, then you should be able to show that he deserves a tougher sentence because the perp shot a guy because he didn't like his skin color, sexual orientation, or what have you. Either that or we could have a whole bunch of new laws:

    1) Murder with rape crime.

    2) Murder while kicking his dog.

    3) Murder because he was the quarterback that lost a football game.

    Oh hell, I bet I could think up dozens of new laws. How about this instead? We prosecute murder as murder, then during sentencing, we THEN bring up these other facets of the case. Much simpler, and less dumb.
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    Re: Three White Men Convicted of Hate Crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I do not think anyone has said that motivation should not be taken into account.We find that putting one 1st degree murder victim above another 1st degree murder victim because of race,sex,sexual preference or some other non-issue to be idiotic. Justice should be blind.
    you appear to want Justice to blind, deaf, & ignorant of the realities of our society.

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    Re: Three White Men Convicted of Hate Crimes

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    No, I believe that it should be taken into account when choosing punishment, but not when charging with a crime. Murder is murder. Period. Shouldn't be hard to prove it. Did the perp shoot someone? Did that shooting kill the person? Pretty cut and dried, if you ask me. When sentencing comes about, then you should be able to show that he deserves a tougher sentence because the perp shot a guy because he didn't like his skin color, sexual orientation, or what have you. Either that or we could have a whole bunch of new laws:

    1) Murder with rape crime.

    2) Murder while kicking his dog.

    3) Murder because he was the quarterback that lost a football game.

    Oh hell, I bet I could think up dozens of new laws. How about this instead? We prosecute murder as murder, then during sentencing, we THEN bring up these other facets of the case. Much simpler, and less dumb.
    we as a society, through our legislators, have decided that certain motivations for certain crimes, should require higher penalties.

    murder as a hate crime, rape as a hate crime, assault as a hate crime, deserves higher penalties than regular murder, rape, and assault.

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