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    Re: France, suddenly has backbone

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I'm going to start responding to your posts like you respond to others. Forgive me, I have to practice the incoherent and irrelevant commenting style which will have no relevance whatsoever to the subject at hand, the OP or in fact, any comment or information shared so far.
    Oh... you never read.. 'history'... or macroeconomics.. or... international political economics.. or international security, or national security decision making...

    and then you wrote this

    Brony ponies seem a bit colorful for creepy degree University graduates.

    The average graduate seems to drink a lot of alcohol. Generally alcohol use in small amounts helps the heart and blood circulation, social interaction and in every war since WWI, social interaction has been lacking probably due to the lack of approximately 93% of leaders not speaking the same language.

    Comparably, most leaders seem to have pets, and dogs have been part of wars since WWII, and FDR had a dog and was very fond of dogs, yet so did Hitler.

    Ever eat a dog?
    You get better and better... in 2 years of attempting to approach debate with you, you have not dodged me about...

    two... eh... three times?

    you're at eh... have you ever eaten a poop sandwich status... lol.

    funny... ****..


    anyways... the pacific... that was human sacrifice...
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    Re: France, suddenly has backbone

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    Oh... you never read.. 'history'... or macroeconomics.. or... international political economics.. or international security, or national security decision making...

    and then you wrote this



    You get better and better... in 2 years of attempting to approach debate with you, you have not dodged me about...

    two... eh... three times?

    you're at eh... have you ever eaten a poop sandwich status... lol.

    funny... ****..
    Bronie sounds like Brownie and the history of brownies tends to stem from the 19th century cake bakers and pastry chefs of the time. Reading about the history and macroeconomics of Brownies and cake baking probably have to do with the chocolate industry, of which capitalistic tendencies and shipping routes as well as technology have improved, bringing the exotic fruits to our shores.

    Cats are rather exotic or can be, as are Turkish dancers.

    I can't dodge your incoherence, I'm just emulating your non-sense. Senses. The sense of smell like brownies. Bronies don't smell do they?

    Hey why did you change your avatar to something now so much more "macho". Macho-Camacho; bet you're a boxer am I right?


    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    anyways... the pacific... that was human sacrifice...
    Did you know there were over 2 million disenfranchised cats in the Pacific?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: France, suddenly has backbone

    The western front had the ability to negotiate state servitude to germany
    The eastern Europe faced genocide, slavery, and cultural annihilation, and fought approximately %70 percent of the war by many estimates
    The only comparable troop experience for Americans in the history of the us is the navy in the pacific doing WWII... as far as psychological trauma
    so... basically you're driven to madness by the fact that Western Europe's racial and cultural existence was negotiable to the nazi regime
    whereas eastern Europe faced genocide, slavery, and cultural annihilation

    or can you respond...

    You may have to actually read approximately 2 books on comparative state driven war economies managed by dictators and their political desires for the reorganization of race and economy on the european continent

    ...like college or something...

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    Re: France, suddenly has backbone

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    so... basically you're driven to madness by the fact that Western Europe's racial and cultural existence was negotiable to the nazi regime
    whereas eastern Europe faced genocide, slavery, and cultural annihilation

    or can you respond...

    You may have to actually read approximately 2 books on comparative state driven war economies managed by dictators and their political desires for the reorganization of race and economy on the european continent

    ...like college or something...

    ima smoke a doob. im moving to tokyo in a week gotta get ready lmao.

    You only read approximately two books in college?

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    Re: France, suddenly has backbone

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    You look at this simply. It is far more complex than the Soviet flag raising over the White House. A threat to economy is a threat to governance. Germany was not going to attack our shores, yet Roosevelt recognized that a our economy would be crippled if his aggression persisted and kept Europe reeling. The Cold War was the same. We learned from both World Wars that real military power stems from oil. With the Soviet Union' influence covering over half of the world and beginning to affect free trades between partners, they were a threat to the free world. The Cold War was absolutely about the free world versus oppression. Democracies were spared and winning the influence of the oil rich region of the Middle East as well as regions that provided countless resources to the free world was the difference. What ultimately killed the Soviet Union was the inability to sustain communism at a government level and the inability to control the world's resources. Instead of strangling us, we strangled them.

    The entire world has been remade in our "image." This began at the turn of the 20th century with the creaion of democracies throughout the world. After the Second World War the entire world gravitated towards our culture. Films from around the world carried an American theme for decades. The international language of business was English (thanks to the Brits before us). And despite today's back lash identity crisis around the world, none of them can get enough of the English speaking world's film and music industry. This wasn't expressly engineered. We didn't "make" anybody in our image. They came to us. They wanted their Coca~Cola and MTV. They wanted a McDonalds. Iraq democracy was always going to look like Iraq democracy. Afghanistan was always going to look like Afghanistan. We were never going to create Vermont in the desert and if Washington was able to fool Americans into thinking that then the problem isn't Washington. But it is true that our prosperity and historically unmatched power has plenty to do with the world leaning towards the path we created and not the Soviet Union's..or Germany's..or the Japanese...or the Spanish Empire...or any of the European powers that used colonization to actually try to make people in their image. In the end, we don't really care about a dictator as long as he doesn't affect our world The moment he does, will will throw sanctions on him and if need be, "aggress." We'll throw some words like "freedom," "democracy," and "humanitarian mission" to preach up the mission, but ultimately, he screwed with our interests. Would life be easier if they were all democracies? Sure, but despite the grandstanding of people, our abilities to be "world policemen" has limits. Hence plenty of the world still ignored behind oppression.

    Iraq and Afghanistan do not define what America has done all around the world for years and years. As far as aggressor, were it not for 9/11 the Taliban would still be in charge of Afghanstan and we wouldn't care in the slightest. Had Hussein obeyed the rules that spared him in 1991 we would still be starving his people today with the slightest of care as well. America has never in it's history aggressed, simply to aggress. And aggression was stopped in 1991, because he threatened oil flow, which is exactly what had us supporting dictators during the Cold War against the Soviet dictators. Our moral high ground comes from our lean towards liberty and freedom. But either way, our historical mission has always been to stabilize and safe guard regions.

    By the way, I don't necessarily completely believe in Democracy because it means believing in people. Face it, if Brad Pitt ran for office he would get elected because he is pretty.
    You have to believe our economy would not have withstood any challenge. I don't buy that. If we believe this system is superior, why fear the competition?

    And let's be clear, we did not enter WWII until Japan attacked us, and Germany declared war. No matter what fears we ahd about the econmy, we did not invade due to it.

    Here's the problem I have, with the interest agrument, absent a core moral value, we can rationalize any evil act, make anything seem necessary, excuse any wrong. It is this very type of thinging that is found in all the governments we have deonounced as evil. It is more than hyporcritical to say they are evil for this, but we're on the side of the angels.

    And 9/11 does not excuse aggression. Plan and simple. We ahve a right to fight those who attacked us, but as no country attacked us, there is no country we can invade on that rationale. Neither country could do squat to us or our interests (unless you're going to say it really was about oil, and even that was a small, small, small threat). 9/11 just became the method of the propganda that led us to war. Few asked any real questions, and those who did were immediately described as being unpatriotic. I think there is particular blueprint for that type of leading a people to war.

    You reference the world moving our way without force, and that is true, But no gun is place before them to do so. This is what I mean about haivng faith that our system is able to care for itself without aggressively using the gun. Invading a country and at gun point telling them they will be a democracy is distinctly anti-democratic.

    And while we speak of democracy losely, including in the words a representative democracy like ours, your lack of faith in the system you defend is troublesome. I prefer the kind of patriotism that tries to elevate the people and not play to their lowest common denominator. Too few do that today, and we are paying for our lack of dilgence. As a solider, you could fight that battle. Or you could work to excuse any act the country does. But then again, we all face that choice and not just soldiers.

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    Re: France, suddenly has backbone

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    You only read approximately two books in college?
    It takes 1-2 of the correct books to establish the information i presented to you above... unfortunately due to your massive ignorance as evidenced in this post and the several prior (ignorance: a term I will use freely because I can provide effective argument to it's absolute truth as per previous posts)
    you are not willing to admit to the information i presented.. are derailing are flaming and trolling, not that a mod would care.

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    Re: France, suddenly has backbone

    Amazon.com: The Dictators: Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Russia (9780393020304): Richard Overy: Books

    Here's a comparative book on the two most important continental Europeans in the 20th century... let's include britain in continental...

    knowledge tastes bitter

    have a nice day.

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    Re: France, suddenly has backbone

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    so... basically you're driven to madness by the fact that Western Europe's racial and cultural existence was negotiable to the nazi regime
    whereas eastern Europe faced genocide, slavery, and cultural annihilation

    or can you respond...

    You may have to actually read approximately 2 books on comparative state driven war economies managed by dictators and their political desires for the reorganization of race and economy on the european continent

    ...like college or something...

    ima smoke a doob. im moving to tokyo in a week gotta get ready lmao.
    The French proved that.
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    Re: France, suddenly has backbone

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    It takes 1-2 of the correct books to establish the information i presented to you above... unfortunately due to your massive ignorance as evidenced in this post and the several prior (ignorance: a term I will use freely because I can provide effective argument to it's absolute truth as per previous posts)
    you are not willing to admit to the information i presented.. are derailing are flaming and trolling, not that a mod would care.
    It takes many books to establish a base line understanding of most things. Confining yourself to a single or a second book and parading about with your "absolute truth" provides its own ignorance. Wouldn't you say? In any event, you haven't provided me any information that isn't common sense so perhaps you are misdirecting your reply to the wrong individual.

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    Re: France, suddenly has backbone

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The French proved that.
    no... the nazis did by not annihilating the population of their nation state or destroying the culture on the territory they occupied.

    try again, buddy.

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