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    Re: France, suddenly has backbone

    Quote Originally Posted by Sparkles View Post
    Says the guy with "Brony" as his icon.
    yes, actually, the guy with a degree in russian and post soviet studies

    The western front had the ability to negotiate state servitude to germany
    The eastern Europe faced genocide, slavery, and cultural annihilation, and fought approximately %70 percent of the war by many estimates
    The only comparable troop experience for Americans in the history of the us is the navy in the pacific doing WWII... as far as psychological trauma

    ehh... you fight in a war?

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    Re: France, suddenly has backbone

    France has had a backbone for a long time. They and Great Britain stood up to Hitler in 1939 when he invaded Poland -- and we didn't until Japan attacked us 2 years later. France has a proud military tradition that includes Napolean. It includes helping us gain our independence from Britain.

    France stood up to Hitler, but their strategy (the Maginot Line) was flawed. That doesn't take anything away from how hard French soldiers fought to protect their country and later to regain it. They did get very well deserved help from the US, Britain, and other countries to retake their country. They do owe us some some gratitude, but we owe the same to them.

    Recently the French played and extremely important role in the overthrow of Kaddaffi.

    The stereotype of the French as cowards who immediately surrender is one of the most unfair stereotypes in the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    yes, actually, the guy with a degree in russian and post soviet studies

    The western front had the ability to negotiate state servitude to germany
    The eastern Europe faced genocide, slavery, and cultural annihilation, and fought approximately %70 percent of the war by many estimates
    The only comparable troop experience for Americans in the history of the us is the navy in the pacific doing WWII... as far as psychological trauma

    ehh... you fight in a war?
    I'm going to start responding to your posts like you respond to others. Forgive me, I have to practice the incoherent and irrelevant commenting style which will have no relevance whatsoever to the subject at hand, the OP or in fact, any comment or information shared so far.


    Brony ponies seem a bit colorful for creepy degree University graduates.

    The average graduate seems to drink a lot of alcohol. Generally alcohol use in small amounts helps the heart and blood circulation, social interaction and in every war since WWI, social interaction has been lacking probably due to the lack of approximately 93% of leaders not speaking the same language.

    Comparably, most leaders seem to have pets, and dogs have been part of wars since WWII, and FDR had a dog and was very fond of dogs, yet so did Hitler.

    Ever eat a dog?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: France, suddenly has backbone

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    Americans and british didnt do heavy fighting... the soviets did...

    i keep forgetting what planet some people are from.


    he's right guys I mean normandy was just a day at the beach and what about monte cassino? Just another exuse for the yanks and Tommies to sit around and eat pasta, lazy
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    Re: France, suddenly has backbone

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's not entirely accurate. The Arabs/Muslims are responsible for a lot of atrocities not only in Asia, but in Europe as well.
    But not World War. It is true that the identification of the African black as a slave stemmed from Islam via the Arab Slave Trade (before the Atlantic Slave Trade). It is also true that the first colonizers were Arabs. But these matters affected local environment. Hundreds of millions of corpses around the globe in the 20th century came from two different parties that white people hosted (Japanese add/on). I don't mean to downplay religious terror out of Islam, but we have to keep a certain perspective with this. We should be thankful that Islam doesn't hold any true military power within it beause this is where we find major conflict. And true military belongs entirely to the Western world.

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    Re: France, suddenly has backbone

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    Americans and british didnt do heavy fighting... the soviets did...

    i keep forgetting what planet some people are from.
    I was speaking about the Western front. You know, in spite of Communist propaganda to the contrary, there actually was fighting in the West. I know the Soviets and their successors believe they single-handedly beat the Nazis, but it just ain't so.
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    Re: France, suddenly has backbone

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    But not World War. It is true that the identification of the African black as a slave stemmed from Islam via the Arab Slave Trade (before the Atlantic Slave Trade). It is also true that the first colonizers were Arabs. But these matters affected local environment. Hundreds of millions of corpses around the globe in the 20th century came from two different parties that white people hosted (Japanese add/on). I don't mean to downplay religious terror out of Islam, but we have to keep a certain perspective with this. We should be thankful that Islam doesn't hold any true military power within it beause this is where we find major conflict. And true military belongs entirely to the Western world.
    Don't tell the Chinese. They seem to think they have a true military.
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    Re: France, suddenly has backbone

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't know anyone who thinks everyone is in the same boat. I think some use PC like an excuse to ignore the argument.

    In explaining, there is a hint of justification. And no, supporting dictators really didn't save democracy around the world. The red threat was never the type of threat that would do away with democracy. It would help if we believed in democracy as much as we say do, having soem faith that it will endure and win the day.

    At the end of the day, Afghanistan may take back the Taliban. We'll see, but I also didn't say we trying to put stars on the flag. I said remaking them in our immage. There was a lot of talk about that early on, but as the expense grw, and the reality set in, what we'd accept became less.

    And frankly, no where have I asked for a perfect world. I've asked that we not be aggressors. That we act within some core value. Not that is no room to work within the realities, but that we don't prop up dictators and oppression. And that we don't think we know best and can enforce our will on others. If you believe in our democracy, believe it will be something others want, and that time will more and more that way. Stop aggression as we did in the first guylf war, but don't invade and nation build recklessly. There are more choices than you're allowing for.
    You look at this simply. It is far more complex than the Soviet flag raising over the White House. A threat to economy is a threat to governance. Germany was not going to attack our shores, yet Roosevelt recognized that a our economy would be crippled if his aggression persisted and kept Europe reeling. The Cold War was the same. We learned from both World Wars that real military power stems from oil. With the Soviet Union' influence covering over half of the world and beginning to affect free trades between partners, they were a threat to the free world. The Cold War was absolutely about the free world versus oppression. Democracies were spared and winning the influence of the oil rich region of the Middle East as well as regions that provided countless resources to the free world was the difference. What ultimately killed the Soviet Union was the inability to sustain communism at a government level and the inability to control the world's resources. Instead of strangling us, we strangled them.

    The entire world has been remade in our "image." This began at the turn of the 20th century with the creaion of democracies throughout the world. After the Second World War the entire world gravitated towards our culture. Films from around the world carried an American theme for decades. The international language of business was English (thanks to the Brits before us). And despite today's back lash identity crisis around the world, none of them can get enough of the English speaking world's film and music industry. This wasn't expressly engineered. We didn't "make" anybody in our image. They came to us. They wanted their Coca~Cola and MTV. They wanted a McDonalds. Iraq democracy was always going to look like Iraq democracy. Afghanistan was always going to look like Afghanistan. We were never going to create Vermont in the desert and if Washington was able to fool Americans into thinking that then the problem isn't Washington. But it is true that our prosperity and historically unmatched power has plenty to do with the world leaning towards the path we created and not the Soviet Union's..or Germany's..or the Japanese...or the Spanish Empire...or any of the European powers that used colonization to actually try to make people in their image. In the end, we don't really care about a dictator as long as he doesn't affect our world The moment he does, will will throw sanctions on him and if need be, "aggress." We'll throw some words like "freedom," "democracy," and "humanitarian mission" to preach up the mission, but ultimately, he screwed with our interests. Would life be easier if they were all democracies? Sure, but despite the grandstanding of people, our abilities to be "world policemen" has limits. Hence plenty of the world still ignored behind oppression.

    Iraq and Afghanistan do not define what America has done all around the world for years and years. As far as aggressor, were it not for 9/11 the Taliban would still be in charge of Afghanstan and we wouldn't care in the slightest. Had Hussein obeyed the rules that spared him in 1991 we would still be starving his people today with the slightest of care as well. America has never in it's history aggressed, simply to aggress. And aggression was stopped in 1991, because he threatened oil flow, which is exactly what had us supporting dictators during the Cold War against the Soviet dictators. Our moral high ground comes from our lean towards liberty and freedom. But either way, our historical mission has always been to stabilize and safe guard regions.

    By the way, I don't necessarily completely believe in Democracy because it means believing in people. Face it, if Brad Pitt ran for office he would get elected because he is pretty.
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    Re: France, suddenly has backbone

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    Americans and british didnt do heavy fighting... the soviets did...

    i keep forgetting what planet some people are from.
    What you are stating is that the bloodiest of the European theatre was between Germans and Russians. That stands to reason since Russians were fighting for their yards. Perhaps if Europeans on the other side of Germany fought for their yards better than they did, they wouldn't have needed Americans and British to cross waters at all.

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    Re: France, suddenly has backbone

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Don't tell the Chinese. They seem to think they have a true military.
    Westerners tend to think this more tan the Chinese do. The whole "million man military" seems to frighten people. They don't stop to think that America has over a million Active Duty, complete control of the seas and skies, and the ability to mobolize this control throughout the world. Only some European nations can play in our game (with our help mostly, but still).

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