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    Re: France, suddenly has backbone

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    But we didn't start the Cold War.
    Oh me oh my 50 million people came back to life like lazarus, thanks, not starting the cold war made killing people worth it.

    While I agree that Iraq was horribly mismanaged, there have not been a million deaths. Actually, the most severe count comes to around 600,000. According to WikiLeaks there have been just over 100,000. The only "million" count is from an opinion survey of Iraqis who claim anything for any kind of compensation.
    The total death-count post invasion is 1,000,000+ with all sectarian violence included... there happen to be rational people who believe people should be held accountable for not understanding possible aftermath of countries they invade.
    flowers and candy... =\

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    Re: France, suddenly has backbone

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    It means stop watching tv, go to school, read a book, walk in the park, learn a new language, plant a garden, talk to people from other places and all over the world.

    thats what it means...

    or we could just say that playing dumb doesnt mean **** when youre talking to people that actually know what they're talking about.
    I deem your post pathetic, ignorant, foolish, and pointless.

    When you have something of value to add to the discussion, come back. If not, do everyone a favor, and do not spew your meaningless drivel on the forum.

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    Re: France, suddenly has backbone

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    If I recall correctly, France was the first country to join us in Afghanistan after 9/11. They also are the reason why our country exists thanks to the blockade they held on our shores during the revolutionary war. Don't know why they get such a bad rap from us.
    I think they also vote with the U.S. in the UN more often than any other country.

    Syria is a former French protectorate, so they feel some responsibility in the area, and also Lebanon. Until around 1967 they were the main military ally of Israel, and France supplies more volunteers to the region than any other country as well. It's a very pro-active country and society, even if not always to the U.S.'s liking.

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    Re: France, suddenly has backbone

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    For your information, France has sent their own troops on several foreign missions, including special forces troops to help NATO in Afghanistan, a few thousand troops to keep the peace in Cote d'Ivoire, several thousand troops along the Israeli-Lebanon border to enforce the ceasefire, not to mention they and the British contributed heavily to the no-fly zone over Libya during the Libyan Civil War/Uprising with Rafale and Mirage fighters and numerous French Navy ships.

    I know it's popular to play the "French are all cheese-eating surrender monkeys" card, but that stereotype doesn't exactly mesh with reality.
    It stems from the days when the French were more than happy to turn their country over to the Germans and to help them round up whatever Jews they could find. There were far more collaborators with the Nazis than there were resistance fighters, almost all of whom were Communist Maquis.

    They are very tough when dealing with Greenpeace, however.

    As General Patton famously said, "I'd rather have the German Army in front of me than the French Army behind me".
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    Re: France, suddenly has backbone

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    It stems from the days when the French were more than happy to turn their country over to the Germans and to help them round up whatever Jews they could find. There were far more collaborators with the Nazis than there were resistance fighters, almost all of whom were Communist Maquis.

    They are very tough when dealing with Greenpeace, however.

    As General Patton famously said, "I'd rather have the German Army in front of me than the French Army behind me".
    Tell me when youre ready to hand your kid a rifle in the suburbs of whatever town you live in and have him fire out of a window to elite urban warfare troopers who have been training to raid your cities for years...

    living is nicer.

    vive la france... =\

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    Re: France, suddenly has backbone

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    About the French. Yes, they are a petulent lot. Of late not very dependable, if you ever do business with or through France. I do. They are hard to depend on without also having a plan for if they have a labor hissy fit. They are inefficiant as hell. And have more pompous jackasses per capita than anyone.
    I don't have vast experience with French businesses but I've worked under French managers in Silly Con Valley companies and they were excellent managers and 'people' persons, and never had any problems with the French telecom industry and electro-optics people in their tech industries; I must have just been lucky.

    However. The French were an enormous help in our Revolutionary War. Not just with their fleet, but also boots-on-the-ground. As to their courage and commitment, and losses, in military campaigns, their losses in WWI were staggering. Beyond anything America can possibly relate to in any war. They are also a country eternally fouled by bad politics, and as in both WW's, bad officers.
    Their production miracle in WW I rivaled the Soviet miracle in WW II, though, naturally, on a smaller scale.

    All countries are plagued by bad politics and bad officers; it's the overall system that matters, i.e. how quickly those can be corrected in emergencies.

    While they have certainly stood tall in the past, at this point in their history, they are shifting to being a bit noodle-spined. They are about to vote back in a socialist, and become whining liberals once again, expecting the gubmit teat to not run dry. Friggin Germans are going to dis-own them again.
    Ebb and flow. American industries are just as dependent. France has more small business entrepreneurs per capita than the U.S. does, so I'm not worried about their 'socialist' policies much; they've been around a long time, and will probably survive the U.S. as a country.
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    Re: France, suddenly has backbone

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    Ebb and flow. American industries are just as dependent. France has more small business entrepreneurs per capita than the U.S. does, so I'm not worried about their 'socialist' policies much; they've been around a long time, and will probably survive the U.S. as a country.
    Although true, there's a reason. French policies make it difficult to grow businesses. As a result small businesses remain small and largely uncompetitive. This is why France isn't exactly a power house economy, and typically has a very high unemployment rate. Of course there are other factors too, but they all tie in.

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    Re: France, suddenly has backbone

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    Tell me when youre ready to hand your kid a rifle in the suburbs of whatever town you live in and have him fire out of a window to elite urban warfare troopers who have been training to raid your cities for years...

    living is nicer.

    vive la france... =\
    Vichy France. Marshall Petain. Ready to turn their Navy over to Hitler after the fall of France until the British sunk it. That pompous ass De Gaulle, who the allies didn't trust enough to provide any information on strategy because they knew he was a self-serving son of a bitch who cared about De Gaulle first and formost.

    French troops were reknowned during the Second World War for allowing the Americans and the British to do the heavy fighting. Patton had it just about right.
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    Re: France, suddenly has backbone

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Vichy France. Marshall Petain. Ready to turn their Navy over to Hitler after the fall of France until the British sunk it. That pompous ass De Gaulle, who the allies didn't trust enough to provide any information on strategy because they knew he was a self-serving son of a bitch who cared about De Gaulle first and formost.

    French troops were reknowned during the Second World War for allowing the Americans and the British to do the heavy fighting. Patton had it just about right.
    Americans and british didnt do heavy fighting... the soviets did...

    i keep forgetting what planet some people are from.

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    Re: France, suddenly has backbone

    Quote Originally Posted by MKULTRABOY View Post
    Americans and british didnt do heavy fighting... the soviets did...

    i keep forgetting what planet some people are from.
    Says the guy with "Brony" as his icon.

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