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    Re: Marines discharge Sergeant for Facebook posts criticizing President Barack Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Kinda bummed a NCO lost his benefits. I will give at the VFW for this guy.

    I should mention, he needed to be booted, and I don't support what he did. I just don't think they should have taken his benefits. He earned those.
    You just can't do what he did....I feel sorry for the guy to but he is lucky to did not go to jail......
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    Re: Marines discharge Sergeant for Facebook posts criticizing President Barack Obama

    The guy has a right to his POV and should not have been discharged for his speech. If his actions dictated that he put into practice his speech, then absolutely he should be discharged. This is a clear violation of the guys Free speech rights. I suspect he will win in court.
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    Re: Marines discharge Sergeant for Facebook posts criticizing President Barack Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The guy has a right to his POV and should not have been discharged for his speech. If his actions dictated that he put into practice his speech, then absolutely he should be discharged. This is a clear violation of the guys Free speech rights. I suspect he will win in court.
    His statements go against military law. He is going to lose.
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    Re: Marines discharge Sergeant for Facebook posts criticizing President Barack Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The guy has a right to his POV and should not have been discharged for his speech. If his actions dictated that he put into practice his speech, then absolutely he should be discharged. This is a clear violation of the guys Free speech rights. I suspect he will win in court.
    not a chance
    what he says as a civilian in his civilian is one thing, and protected as you have recognized

    but that was not his action. he wrote in his capacity as a member of the armed forces, subordinate to the commander in chief. that aspect of the situation is what did him in
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    Re: Marines discharge Sergeant for Facebook posts criticizing President Barack Obama

    We'll see. I'm not up at all on military law, but I'm not sure that a person completely gives up their first amendment rights when they join the military. Even if they have a right to discharge him, I'm not sure that they can dishonorably discharge him and deny him his benefits based on his speech. I very well could be wrong....like I said, I'm not familiar with military law, but it just goes against my legal instincts.
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    Re: Marines discharge sergeant for Facebook posts for criticizing President Barack Ob

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I do not agree with it. Freedom of speech. If he was disobeying orders that would be one thing, but I dont know that to be the case.
    Most servicemembers are aware that they are not supposed to bad mouth the president in public. The troops have to show common respect to him. If the government allowed disrespect to run throughout the troops, they could refuse to take orders or even turn against the public and common interests.

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    Re: Hopefully this is the LAST time...

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    you mean like when Reagan fired 11,000 air traffic-controllers and banned from ever having a Federal job again?

    that kind of liberty and working together?

    and what did these evil air-traffic controllers do? they demanded better working conditions and a regular work week. those Commy bastards!!!!
    Maybe it wasn't so much what they demanded, but how they demanded it.
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    Re: Marines discharge Sergeant for Facebook posts criticizing President Barack Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The guy has a right to his POV and should not have been discharged for his speech. If his actions dictated that he put into practice his speech, then absolutely he should be discharged. This is a clear violation of the guys Free speech rights. I suspect he will win in court.
    He was under a contract with the military. That contract has stipulations about what authority you are under. Clearly he broke the rules. As Redress said, you have some Constitutional rights, but the same was civilians.
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    Re: Marines discharge Sergeant for Facebook posts criticizing President Barack Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    We'll see. I'm not up at all on military law, but I'm not sure that a person completely gives up their first amendment rights when they join the military. Even if they have a right to discharge him, I'm not sure that they can dishonorably discharge him and deny him his benefits based on his speech. I very well could be wrong....like I said, I'm not familiar with military law, but it just goes against my legal instincts.
    A person does not give up all of their free speach rights, but those rights are curtailed to an extent. That issue here is not whether he had any free speach rights, but that he exceeded what rights he does have and then violated his lawful orders when told to stop. While they could have taken him to a court martial and giving him a dishonorable, that would have been way out of line for the offense in this case. NJP and other than honorable where appropriate.
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    Re: Marines discharge Sergeant for Facebook posts criticizing President Barack Obama

    Would someone provide examples of quotes that are OK, and those that cross the line?

    It'd be terrible if soldiers could voice their opion/civilly critique the president/administration's actions.

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