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    Re: Hopefully this is the LAST time...

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    That's why I bolded 'simplify'. No point in dragging it out long and detailed.

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    Re: Hopefully this is the LAST time...

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    and banning them from EVER again having a Federal job? seems pretty authoritarian to me.

    and what were their selfish & greedy demands? better working conditions and a regular work week. God forbid.
    they broke federal law,since that union was working for the federal government,those employees were forbidden by law from striking.

    also what they demanded was a 32 hour work week and a massive pay increase,though that didnt matter somuch their demands as much as they broke federal law and disrupted the airline industry.of all they things they were allowed to do,they did the ONE that was completely illegal for them to do.
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    Re: Marines discharge Sergeant for Facebook posts criticizing President Barack Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Marines discharge sergeant for Facebook posts - Yahoo! News

    What are your thoughts on this?

    Do you think they went too far in punishment?
    They definitely took it too far. Its not like he showed up at a rally in uniform criticizing the president or anything.

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    Re: Marines discharge Sergeant for Facebook posts criticizing President Barack Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    They definitely took it too far. Its not like he showed up at a rally in uniform criticizing the president or anything.
    The thing is, Sergeant Stein was warned at least once that his actions were unacceptable under the current social media policy, and was given the chance to reverse what he did. I feel for the guy and it sucks that his career went down the tube for a couple words he posted on facebook, but the rules are clear. Don't undermine the chain of command.
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    Re: Hopefully this is the LAST time...

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Facebook...when I got out we were lucky to have a NES in the shop for when there wasn't anything on either of the two TV channels we got...
    NES? You should have been working, not playing primitive video games.

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    Re: Hopefully this is the LAST time...

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    NES? You should have been working, not playing primitive video games.

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    Re: Marines discharge Sergeant for Facebook posts criticizing President Barack Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The thing is, Sergeant Stein was warned at least once that his actions were unacceptable under the current social media policy, and was given the chance to reverse what he did. I feel for the guy and it sucks that his career went down the tube for a couple words he posted on facebook, but the rules are clear. Don't undermine the chain of command.
    Yeah I didnt even realize that post went through. I thought I pushed cancel in time. I assumed he just said something along the lines of I dont agree with the president not I wont follow any of his orders. So I take back my post and agree that he should have been discharged.

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    Re: Marines discharge sergeant for Facebook posts for criticizing President Barack Ob

    The first article I read on this lead me to think the Marine shouldn’t have been discharged. It quoted some of the criticisms the Marine made about Obama but they weren’t too over the top. Also, he is enlisted and enlisted members have a bit more leeway under the UCMJ in this area than officers do.

    But I kept digging and found some other things he posted regarding Obama:

    “Obama is the economic enemy”
    “He is the religious enemy”
    “He is a coward”
    “He IS the Domestic Enemy”
    "As an active duty Marine, I say screw Obama and I will not follow any orders from him” (he later said he meant ‘unlawful’ orders)
    “I will not salute him"
    He superimposed Obama’s face on a poster for the movie Jackass

    Currently those of us in the military do NOT have the same freedom of speech as civilians. We can argue over whether or not that law is just, but it is the law. You can criticize the policies of a President without attacking him or trying to undermine him as the CinC. It is done every day by service members all around the world, including on this very board. This Marine crossed the line.

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    Re: Marines discharge Sergeant for Facebook posts criticizing President Barack Obama

    No matter how much you dislike Hussein Obama you have to respect the office of the presidency.....
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    Re: Marines discharge Sergeant for Facebook posts criticizing President Barack Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Marines discharge sergeant for Facebook posts - Yahoo! News

    What are your thoughts on this?

    Do you think they went too far in punishment?
    Kinda bummed a NCO lost his benefits. I will give at the VFW for this guy.

    I should mention, he needed to be booted, and I don't support what he did. I just don't think they should have taken his benefits. He earned those.
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