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    Re: Marines discharge sergeant for Facebook posts for criticizing President Barack Ob

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    its very sad that we now have to train our soldiers, NOT to criticise their superiors on the internet.

    oh well.
    We were already doing that. It's called, "basic training". It's one of the classes that recruits/trainees take during their basic training course.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Marines discharge sergeant for Facebook posts for criticizing President Barack Ob

    I'm curious, did Lt Choi declare he would not obey lawful orders passed down from the President?

    I personally don't like cookie cutter rules and inflexible leaders. On a case by case basis a serviceman should have the ability to appeal a previous decision IF the regulation involved has been rescinded. Part of the review should include the service record of the soldier involved, his value to the service and the severity of the infraction.

    Saying you won't obey the President sounds too much like mutiny to me.

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    Re: Marines discharge sergeant for Facebook posts for criticizing President Barack Ob

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    We were already doing that. It's called, "basic training". It's one of the classes that recruits/trainees take during their basic training course.
    well, then Stein clearly wasn't paying attention in class.

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    Re: Marines discharge sergeant for Facebook posts for criticizing President Barack Ob

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I'm curious, did Lt Choi declare he would not obey lawful orders passed down from the President?

    I personally don't like cookie cutter rules and inflexible leaders. On a case by case basis a serviceman should have the ability to appeal a previous decision IF the regulation involved has been rescinded. Part of the review should include the service record of the soldier involved, his value to the service and the severity of the infraction.

    Saying you won't obey the President sounds too much like mutiny to me.
    No, he violated other regulations that rate a court martial.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Marines discharge sergeant for Facebook posts for criticizing President Barack Ob

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Article 91 doesn't cover civilian members of the chain of command.
    Stein encouraged others to not follow orders of superiors, that would include noncommissioned officers.

    Further:


    "DOD Directive 1344.10 prohibits service members from participating "in any radio, television, or other program or group discussion as an advocate for or against a partisan political party, candidate, or cause". It also prohibits actions similar to those taken by Sgt. Stein but which are not specific to social media."
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Marines discharge sergeant for Facebook posts for criticizing President Barack Ob

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Stein encouraged others to not follow orders of superiors, that would include commissioned officers.

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    [/b]"DOD Directive 1344.10 prohibits service members from participating "in any radio, television, or other program or group discussion as an advocate for or against a partisan political party, candidate, or cause"[b]. It also prohibits actions similar to those taken by Sgt. Stein but which are not specific to social media."
    Which has nothing to do with Articles 91 nor 117.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Marines discharge sergeant for Facebook posts for criticizing President Barack Ob

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Which has nothing to do with Articles 91 nor 117.
    I didn't say it did, nor does it have anything to do with Article 89 or 90, but they all can be applied.

    Have you seen the actual charges?
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Marines discharge sergeant for Facebook posts for criticizing President Barack Ob

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Stein encouraged others to not follow orders of superiors, that would include noncommissioned officers.

    Further:


    "DOD Directive 1344.10 prohibits service members from participating "in any radio, television, or other program or group discussion as an advocate for or against a partisan political party, candidate, or cause". It also prohibits actions similar to those taken by Sgt. Stein but which are not specific to social media."
    This is what happened. Further, his full comment: "As an active duty Marine I say 'screw Obama' and I will not follow orders from him." Can't invoke your military status when making political statements.

    aspdt is correct that this is not an article 91 insubordination situation.
    We became a great nation not because we are a nation of cynics. We became a great nation because we are a nation of believers - Lindsey Graham

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    Hopefully this is the LAST time...

    I am absolutely dead sick and tired of people getting fired from their jobs for voicing their opinion (which is well within their right to have)...

    This president has fired people all over the place for having a different opinion and rightly calling the president out for his mismanagement of this country...

    this is how the story is presented by the liberal biased, pro-obama site MSNBC

    U.S. News - Marine who criticized Obama on Facebook: I wish I could take it back

    He doesn't take back his comments... he still thinks Obama is messed up in the head... he still was right to call him out...

    But for some reason, this current president thinks its a dismissable offense to have a dissenting opinion...

    We are FAR from the days of liberty and working together, and appreciating freedom that we enjoyed under Reagan...

    Anyone who respects the constititional right to an opinion ought to be voting Obama out of his position for abusing that right...

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    Re: Hopefully this is the LAST time...

    the military has very strict rules about this kinda thing.

    he deserved to lose his "job".

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