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    Re: Democrats plan to force vote on Arizona immigration law if itís upheld by court

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Now that is pretzel logic, when was he mayor of NYC??
    Incredible, right?
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    Re: Democrats plan to force vote on Arizona immigration law if itís upheld by court

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Maybe you missed it, but it isn't just liberals. In fact, more Americans believe in witchcraft than believe Citizens United was a good decision.



    Recall that in reaching its decision, "the majority did not believe that reliable evidence substantiated the risk of corruption or the appearance of corruption, and so this rationale did not satisfy strict scrutiny."

    Oops.
    I do recall that. I also recall it was not approaching the rationale of an overreaching decision that limits free speech by organizations. Whats a newspaper? Its an organization. Whats a union? Its an organization. Whats a corporation? Its an organization. Some organizations were treated differently than others. It limited some organizations speech but not all. McCain/Feingold was struck down because it limited speech expression by seeking to limit money. The problem is that still limits speech. Transparency is the solution, not limitation. The more transparent support (read money) is to a vote the more support there will be to turn out an incumbant that has his hand out for legislation money all the time.

    By the way you want to source that bull**** opinion about witchcraft up there? Didnt think so. Your mouth is writing checks again.

    Puhlease. Conservatives have been whining about "activist" judges and courts for 80 years.
    Since the New Deal and FDR attempted to intimidate SCOTUS....and in part did....wonder why.

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    Re: Democrats plan to force vote on Arizona immigration law if itís upheld by court

    Quote Originally Posted by OpportunityCost View Post
    By the way you want to source that bull**** opinion about witchcraft up there? Didnt think so. Your mouth is writing checks again.
    Apology accepted. More Americans Believe In Witchcraft Than Agree With Citizens United | ThinkProgress
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Democrats plan to force vote on Arizona immigration law if itís upheld by court

    Clearly Americans believe is something larger than themselves.

    Poll: Nearly 8 in 10 Americans believe in angels - CBS News

    Angels don't just sing at Christmastime. For most Americans, they're a year-round presence. A new Associated Press-GfK poll shows that 77 percent of adults believe these ethereal beings are real.
    And of course, the relevance of the Angels poll and the Witchcraft poll against Citizens United is nil.

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    Re: Democrats plan to force vote on Arizona immigration law if itís upheld by court

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    As for crossing the border and being caught is definitely a felony, however being here without proper "papers" is just a misdemeanor. I believe the police should deal with civil laws and let the Federal Government deal with the immigration laws. If we need more agents on the border, we should hire them.

    Having the police deal with immigration issues is a distraction from their job maintaining civil order. In fact, I believe if fully implemented, SB1070 will go a long way protecting the real criminals that cross our borders, because the police will spend much of their time on immigration issues rather than catching criminals.
    I have stated that most likely States like AZ would not have passed laws like SB1070 if the Feds where doing the job the majority of citizens want done about illegal immigration.

    IMO, immigration enforcement should be a joint effort between federal LE and State LE. They do it for other crimes. Why not illegal immigration?
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    Re: Democrats plan to force vote on Arizona immigration law if itís upheld by court

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    I have stated that most likely States like AZ would not have passed laws like SB1070 if the Feds where doing the job the majority of citizens want done about illegal immigration.
    100% in agreement.

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    IMO, immigration enforcement should be a joint effort between federal LE and State LE. They do it for other crimes. Why not illegal immigration?
    Very true. It should go right down to the local LE level as well.

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    Re: Democrats plan to force vote on Arizona immigration law if itís upheld by court

    The first and foremost function of the Federal government is to protect it's citizens, they are not doing that. If the borders are not protected, we cannot be a sovereign nation. If the federal government will not protect our borders, then it is up to the states to do what needs to be done. Honestly, never in my life have I seen the federal government sue states who are trying to protect their own borders. You know it's not just Mexicans coming across that southern border. Anyone who wants to get into this country illegally knows that is the ticket, that includes TERRORISTS, ISLAMIST EXTREMISTS, THOSE NOT COMING FOR A JOB, THOSE COMING TO HARM US!!!
    If it sounds like Marx and acts like Stalin...it must be Obama

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    Re: Democrats plan to force vote on Arizona immigration law if itís upheld by court

    Quote Originally Posted by Rapunzel52 View Post
    The first and foremost function of the Federal government is to protect it's citizens, they are not doing that. If the borders are not protected, we cannot be a sovereign nation. If the federal government will not protect our borders, then it is up to the states to do what needs to be done. Honestly, never in my life have I seen the federal government sue states who are trying to protect their own borders. You know it's not just Mexicans coming across that southern border. Anyone who wants to get into this country illegally knows that is the ticket, that includes TERRORISTS, ISLAMIST EXTREMISTS, THOSE NOT COMING FOR A JOB, THOSE COMING TO HARM US!!!
    You've never seen it before because the states have never tried it before. Of course it's ironic, because Obama has done more to protect our borders than any recent president, and illegal immigration is falling, not rising. Crime in border states has been falling for some time -- not rising.

    Immigration reform is the answer to this problem, but the people who whine the loudest about illegal immigration are the same people who oppose immigration reform. Go figure.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Democrats plan to force vote on Arizona immigration law if itís upheld by court

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You've never seen it before because the states have never tried it before. Of course it's ironic, because Obama has done more to protect our borders than any recent president, and illegal immigration is falling, not rising. Crime in border states has been falling for some time -- not rising.

    Immigration reform is the answer to this problem, but the people who whine the loudest about illegal immigration are the same people who oppose immigration reform. Go figure.
    Gotta link to those claims?
    If it sounds like Marx and acts like Stalin...it must be Obama

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    Re: Democrats plan to force vote on Arizona immigration law if itís upheld by court

    Yeah, he sounds really serious about border protection.

    If it sounds like Marx and acts like Stalin...it must be Obama

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