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    Re: Democrats plan to force vote on Arizona immigration law if itís upheld by court

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    um..this is called "Politics as Usual".


    Yes, and the fools accept it.
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    Re: Democrats plan to force vote on Arizona immigration law if itís upheld by court

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Yes, and the fools accept it.
    nothing we can do about it until Election Day.

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    Re: Democrats plan to force vote on Arizona immigration law if itís upheld by court

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    We oppose government run health care, not health care.... What CP laws.... And yes, we oppose wasteful, useless government spending.




    My point is rather clear... It's against the law to enter, live and work in this country without going through INS and aquiring permission to do so. Democrats oppose efforts to both prevent and enforce those laws... Just as they oppose efforts to prevent voter fraud and protect the integrity of the American electoral system.

    What you listed, are policy differences, not disrespect for the rule of law and enabling election fraud.





    Excuse me... SB1070 helps to catch illegal aliens by allowing police to ask for proof of citizenship on traffic stops.

    Like you didn't know what I meant.
    Excuse me, the Democrats are against SB1070 and laws like it for many reasons, but mainly because it appears to usurp the powers of the Federal Government to set immigration policy. Democrats are for comprehensive immigration reform just like President Bush was.

    Also, it should not be the job of the police to become INS agents, they have their hands full just being policemen.


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    Re: Democrats plan to force vote on Arizona immigration law if itís upheld by court

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    So your diatribe aside, Republicans don't like the Court when issues they care about are voted against.
    And Liberals do? Interesting. I seem to recall that it was a Liberal Democrat, currently in office that publically lashed out at the Court and basically claimed he did not believe the Supreme Court could declare laws unconstitutional. Never seen or heard a Republican or indipendent make such claims.

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    Re: Democrats plan to force vote on Arizona immigration law if itís upheld by court

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Excuse me, the Democrats are against SB1070 and laws like it for many reasons, but mainly because it appears to usurp the powers of the Federal Government to set immigration policy. Democrats are for comprehensive immigration reform just like President Bush was.

    Also, it should not be the job of the police to become INS agents, they have their hands full just being policemen.
    I have a feeling you have not read SB1070. Does federal law make it a crime (civil/criminal) to enter into the US illegally?
    The law passed in AZ allows LE to uphold federal laws regarding illegal immigration. So you must object to the federal law?
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    Re: Democrats plan to force vote on Arizona immigration law if itís upheld by court

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    I have a feeling you have not read SB1070. Does federal law make it a crime (civil/criminal) to enter into the US illegally?
    The law passed in AZ allows LE to uphold federal laws regarding illegal immigration. So you must object to the federal law?
    Based on the arguments presented today, the justices( minus the recused Kagan ) aren't buying the Federal objection based on jurisdiction. They are a little less in favor of detention until status can be confirmed, although that stance was softened when it was pointed out that immigration status is routinely verified between 11 minutes and 1 hour.

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    Re: Democrats plan to force vote on Arizona immigration law if itís upheld by court

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    The law passed in AZ allows LE to uphold federal laws regarding illegal immigration. So you must object to the federal law?
    Lets face it... The overwhelming majority of those who oppose the Arizona law and voter ID laws do so for purely political reasons.

    To those on the left:

    SB1070 = Better illegal immigration enforcement = Fewer illegal aliens
    Result:
    Less democratic voters

    Voter ID's = less cheating = Fewer illegal aliens and felons voting, and less multiple voting
    Result:
    Less votes for democrats

    Last edited by Grim17; 04-25-12 at 03:43 PM.

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    Re: Democrats plan to force vote on Arizona immigration law if itís upheld by court

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    I have a feeling you have not read SB1070. Does federal law make it a crime (civil/criminal) to enter into the US illegally?
    The law passed in AZ allows LE to uphold federal laws regarding illegal immigration. So you must object to the federal law?
    I agree with a lot of federal laws and treaties that the states have no business enforcing.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Democrats plan to force vote on Arizona immigration law if itís upheld by court

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    If Republicans lose whatever they have left of the Hispanic vote, I'm alright with that.
    No Conservative should ever WANT a vote from anyone else who is not a Conservative, just as they should never CAST a vote for anyone who ISN'T a Conservative. If these Hispanic voters choose to engage in the adherance to a Liberal lifestyle, why would any Conservative want their vote to begin with?

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    Re: Democrats plan to force vote on Arizona immigration law if itís upheld by court

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    I agree with a lot of federal laws and treaties that the states have no business enforcing.
    This thread is about SB1070 and not "lot of federal laws and treaties".

    and I disagree in this particular case of dealing with illegal aliens. The States have a right to assist the Feds in enforcing Federal laws.

    Then you must agree with having the Feds repay the State/Counties for all cost in dealing with illegal aliens. For example when the State/County rescues an illegal alien in the desert. Or the hospital for all medical care given to an illegal alien, or all education expenses teaching an illegal aliens.

    Or in your world should the State just ignore the 911 call and report it to the Feds to deal with?
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