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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    OMG! Are you fixing to blame Bush for the recession? That's as rediculous as saying that 9/11 was an inside job.
    In fact, that was not what I was doing. But in fact he did not help. I don't believe presidents control the economy, but fighting two wars, not asking that they be paid for, telling people we can spend like drunken sailors and that we can cut taxes.

    However, I was speaking to our credibility, to embolding terrorists, helping with their recruitment, destablizing the region, breaking the rule of law, and grabbing power.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, Bush the jr. did not. Coalition of the willing is by definition outside the UN.
    He went to the UN. It's not his fault they chickened out. Remember Colin Powells speech to the general assembly?

    I guess Saddam had too many friends in the UN.
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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I guess Saddam had too many friends in the UN.
    Or there was doubt that Saddam had STOCKPILES of WMDs (Which was the key selling point for the invasion). Gee, were those stockpiles ever found? Nope

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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    In fact, that was not what I was doing. But in fact he did not help. I don't believe presidents control the economy, but fighting two wars, not asking that they be paid for, telling people we can spend like drunken sailors and that we can cut taxes.
    Sounds a lot like you're blaiming him for the recession, to me.

    However, I was speaking to our credibility, to embolding terrorists, helping with their recruitment, destablizing the region, breaking the rule of law, and grabbing power.
    What, the terrorists hated us more? Those arguments were lame 10 years ago. Can't believe you're still using them.

    Are you trying to claim that the terrorists like us now, since The One got elected?
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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Or there was doubt that Saddam had STOCKPILES of WMDs (Which was the key selling point for the invasion). Gee, were those stockpiles ever found? Nope
    I don't recall anyone complaining about Saddam being removed from power, though.

    The members of the UN didn't have a problem with the invasion; they just didn't want to get their hands dirty.
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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Sounds a lot like you're blaiming him for the recession, to me.
    Then you should read more carefully and ask for clarifying questions.


    What, the terrorists hated us more? Those arguments were lame 10 years ago. Can't believe you're still using them.

    Are you trying to claim that the terrorists like us now, since The One got elected?
    Again, not what I said. But it did bring new recruits. Most of those we found coming to Iraq had never before been part of any terrorist group, so we did increase their numbers. Iraq also allowed the opportunity to kill Americans more than ever before, and all at very little risk to them (they were in Pakistan and SA, so only fresh blood got to get killed). It was a win win for them.

    Nor did I say anywhere that they liked us now. But we have a lot to learn in dealing with terrorism. Bush played to our fears and made reckless and poor decisions. Something less blunt, less excessive, quieter would have done a better job at a fraction of the cost (in lives and money).

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Then you should read more carefully and ask for clarifying questions.
    I did!...LOL!!! You said the same thing, only in different words.




    Again, not what I said. But it did bring new recruits. Most of those we found coming to Iraq had never before been part of any terrorist group, so we did increase their numbers. Iraq also allowed the opportunity to kill Americans more than ever before, and all at very little risk to them (they were in Pakistan and SA, so only fresh blood got to get killed). It was a win win for them.

    Nor did I say anywhere that they liked us now. But we have a lot to learn in dealing with terrorism. Bush played to our fears and made reckless and poor decisions. Something less blunt, less excessive, quieter would have done a better job at a fraction of the cost (in lives and money).
    You said that we, "emboldened", the terrorists.

    Going to war with the Facists brough new recruits, too.
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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    In fact, that was not what I was doing. But in fact he did not help. I don't believe presidents control the economy, but fighting two wars, not asking that they be paid for, telling people we can spend like drunken sailors and that we can cut taxes.

    However, I was speaking to our credibility, to embolding terrorists, helping with their recruitment, destablizing the region, breaking the rule of law, and grabbing power.

    Blame America first...You should market that bumper sticker...

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra
    Or there was doubt that Saddam had STOCKPILES of WMDs (Which was the key selling point for the invasion). Gee, were those stockpiles ever found? Nope
    Oh they will be...When Bashr Assad falls....Bet that'll get full news coverage, what do ya think?


    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley
    Nor did I say anywhere that they liked us now. But we have a lot to learn in dealing with terrorism.
    Seems I have heard this line of reasoning before in history...Sure your first name isn't Neville?


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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh they will be...When Bashr Assad falls....Bet that'll get full news coverage, what do ya think?
    LOL so when that happens and they aren't found then what other country will you blame that has them?

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