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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The disdain existed prior to that. It's why those same people cast all the blame for 9/11 onto him.
    You can always find some, but overall, no. I myself saw him no worse than anyone I disagreed with. I even argued the country would survive him just fine. I was wrong. He lost his mind and did a lot of damage. And he did so with the blessings of a lot of partisans.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Actually, that is incorrect. I realize it is a small point, and still speaks poorly of congress, but all they voted for was to let Bush decide. They did not vote to go to war.
    You are correct. Bush went to Congress for permission to invade Iraq. Congress authorized the invasion, war was never declared. The large point, Barry did not.

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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    You are correct. Bush went to Congress for permission to invade Iraq. Congress authorized the invasion, war was never declared. The large point, Barry did not.
    Unlike Bush, Obama worked within the UN, an organization we have signed agreements with that went through congress. While I also question Obama's actions, he did not move into another country, nation build and lock us into a long term conflict. I know how hard some try to make very different things equal, but the fact is they are not. They are different.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You can always find some, but overall, no. I myself saw him no worse than anyone I disagreed with. I even argued the country would survive him just fine. I was wrong. He lost his mind and did a lot of damage. And he did so with the blessings of a lot of partisans.
    OMG! Are you fixing to blame Bush for the recession? That's as rediculous as saying that 9/11 was an inside job.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Unlike Bush, Obama worked within the UN, an organization we have signed agreements with that went through congress. While I also question Obama's actions, he did not move into another country, nation build and lock us into a long term conflict. I know how hard some try to make very different things equal, but the fact is they are not. They are different.
    Bush worked within the UN, as well.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    OMG! Are you fixing to blame Bush for the recession? That's as rediculous as saying that 9/11 was an inside job.
    Are you for real? The recession hit seven years into Bush's presidency and you want to give him a complete pass?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I would say, that you have outed yourself here. Look, the problems we have now are a result of Presidents in the past looking for ways to increase their power, and circumventing how this country is supposed to work on BOTH sides of the isle. But, to compare a President that did things through exec order to make sure that opposition to a war didn't actively lose that war for political reasons, as opposed to a President that wants to grab power to fundamentally change this country into a 'social justice' view that believes that the constitution is only a piece of paper that they got wrong, is disingenuous, and the height of hypocrisy, when he campaigned for this office on a platform of open and transparent governance. Obama is a liar, and a socialist killer of true freedom in this country.
    Again, you are the only one that has outed himself here. YOU support passing agendas through executive orders if YOU support the agenda. There are many that didn't support the Iraq war and look at it negatively that Bush had done this.

    Secondly, I'm not voting for Obama, so I have stood against this whereas you have just excused it with another president doing it.

    As I've offered many times, put your money where your mouth is if you think Romney is going to win. I've offered and the Cons all run away.

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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Bush worked within the UN, as well.
    Bush defied the UN to launch the invasion.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Bush worked within the UN, as well.
    No, Bush the jr. did not. Coalition of the willing is by definition outside the UN.

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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Are you for real? The recession hit seven years into Bush's presidency and you want to give him a complete pass?
    Which one of Bush's policies caused the recession?

    I mean, we're still in a recession 3 years into Obama's only term and you don't place any responsibility at his door step. Nothing new there, though...huh?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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