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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, you're right. You haven't said that they shouldn't hear it, only that if they rule against what you think should be the proper ruling then you will demonize the court, and bitch about how it was a judicial fiat.


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    Kind of like republicans do every time the court rules against what they think is proper. You know, judicial activism.

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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So, now we come to the meat of your issue. It's not that you have a problem with Obama passing agenda through executive order, you just have a problem with Obama passing agendas through executive orders YOU DON'T LIKE. You approved of Bush's agendas, but not Obama's. That's fair, but don't say you are against passing agenda through executive order when you actually supported Bush doing it.

    Thanks for clearing that up.

    I would say, that you have outed yourself here. Look, the problems we have now are a result of Presidents in the past looking for ways to increase their power, and circumventing how this country is supposed to work on BOTH sides of the isle. But, to compare a President that did things through exec order to make sure that opposition to a war didn't actively lose that war for political reasons, as opposed to a President that wants to grab power to fundamentally change this country into a 'social justice' view that believes that the constitution is only a piece of paper that they got wrong, is disingenuous, and the height of hypocrisy, when he campaigned for this office on a platform of open and transparent governance. Obama is a liar, and a socialist killer of true freedom in this country.

    And, he is now having problems with his own constituency for the upcoming election....

    Obama carried voters between the ages of 18-29 by a margin of about 2-to-1 in 2008, but many recent college graduates have faced high levels of unemployment. That raises concerns for the president about whether they will vote and volunteer for him in such large numbers again.

    Read more: Obama takes on student loan costs, eyes young voters | Fox News
    But there are warning signs on the horizon for Mr. Obama. It is not just a sagging economy that may actually be on the way down, not up. Battleground state voters are leaving the Democratic Party. According to National Journal, “Over 825,000 registered Democrats in Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina and Pennsylvania have departed the party rolls since President Obama’s election in 2008.”

    USA Today reports that Republicans have become resurgent in key swing states too. “Since the heady days of 2008, a new USA TODAY/Gallup Swing States Poll finds the number of voters who identify themselves as Democratic or Democratic-leaning in these key states has eroded, down by 4 percentage points, while the ranks of Republicans have climbed by 5 points.” Republican voters are also paying more attention and are more engaged. In key swing states, Obama trails both Romney and Gingrich.

    Bad News for Barack Obama’s Re-Election | RedState

    You libs are in big electoral trouble, that is why Obama can't run anything but a vitriolic, attack laced campaign....Y'all got nothing.


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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    When Congress starts approving his appointees that have been waiting since 2009 then maybe you have a right to complain.
    He has the right to complain, no matter what Congress does.

    The GOP has been obstructing Obama in everything so no wonder he is pissed. Obama is the president in US history who has had least appointments approved by Congress, and it is all down to GOP obstructionism. So spare me the crocodile tears please...
    Again, we go back to the seperation of powers thing. There's a legitimate reason it exists. If Obama didn't put up so many clowns for these appointments, the Republicans wouldn't have to block those appointments.

    It's not Congress' job to spoon feed the president. That's the way our system works.
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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't know about that. As someone who voted for Dole, I think Bush lost it when he invaded Iraq. At that point, he earned a lot of the distain people held for him.
    Bush went to Congress for permission to invade Iraq. The vote was overwhelming in favor. That IMO makes it Congress, or America's, war.
    The vote by Congress regarding interfering in Libya - Republican - 0 - Democrat - 0 - President 1

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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    He has the right to complain, no matter what Congress does.



    Again, we go back to the seperation of powers thing. There's a legitimate reason it exists. If Obama didn't put up so many clowns for these appointments, the Republicans wouldn't have to block those appointments.

    It's not Congress' job to spoon feed the president. That's the way our system works.
    The only problem with that theory is that Congress has blocked many many appointees for reasons that have nothing to do with the appointees.
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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Bush went to Congress for permission to invade Iraq. The vote was overwhelming in favor. That IMO makes it Congress, or America's, war.
    The vote by Congress regarding interfering in Libya - Republican - 0 - Democrat - 0 - President 1
    Actually, that is incorrect. I realize it is a small point, and still speaks poorly of congress, but all they voted for was to let Bush decide. They did not vote to go to war.

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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Your son is about to be hit by a truck, but to get to him you must run across a lawn posted "No Trespassing".

    Do you trespass and save him.

    ~OR~

    Do you let him die?
    Oh wow! Giving The Messiah is way is now life, or death?
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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    When President Bush was passing agenda items, conservatives didn't raise a rant. Now that Obama is doing it, they are screaming like stuck pigs that it is beyond his authority. Consitution is key, we are seeing that conservatives don't really care unless there is a D in front of the name.

    Works both ways J. Your faux outrage is noted, but amazing, did a search and couldn't find anything on you complaining about Bush and his signing agenda through executive order.
    Bush circumvented the system?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't know about that. As someone who voted for Dole, I think Bush lost it when he invaded Iraq. At that point, he earned a lot of the distain people held for him.
    The disdain existed prior to that. It's why those same people cast all the blame for 9/11 onto him.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The only problem with that theory is that Congress has blocked many many appointees for reasons that have nothing to do with the appointees.
    I'm sure you were just as furious when the Democrats blocked Bush's appointees, as well. Yes?

    I just know you were fit to be tide, when a group of Democrat congress critters wanted to launch an investigation to prove that Bush orchestrated the 9/11 attacks and for war crimes.

    Am I right?

    You can cry about Republican, "obstructionism", all you want, but it's nothing close to what the Democrats did during the Bush administration.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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