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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    to me,
    the fact that he couldnt his own party
    to go along with him means he didnt have his ducks in a row.
    such a large majority,
    and such a popular newly elected president,
    the democrats shouldve been set to go on day 1.
    the president is the leader of his party,
    so i put that on him.
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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    When President Bush was passing agenda items through executive order, liberals were screaming like stuck pigs that it was beyond his authority. But, now that it is Obama bypassing Congress it's all good eh?

    Constitutional is the key. We are already seeing that much of his agenda is NOT constitutional.

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    When Congress starts approving his appointees that have been waiting since 2009 then maybe you have a right to complain. The GOP has been obstructing Obama in everything so no wonder he is pissed. Obama is the president in US history who has had least appointments approved by Congress, and it is all down to GOP obstructionism. So spare me the crocodile tears please...
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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    When Congress starts approving his appointees that have been waiting since 2009 then maybe you have a right to complain.
    Oh, I see...So congress should just rubber stamp anyone that Obama puts up why again? Oh, I know because he is "The One"....! Maybe if Obama wouldn't put up radicals into positions that have lifetime appointments, and people that don't believe in the Constitution as the proper way to govern then we'd at least hear them out....But from what he has shown with his "appointments"? Nah, we'll wait thanks.

    The GOP has been obstructing Obama in everything so no wonder he is pissed. Obama is the president in US history who has had least appointments approved by Congress, and it is all down to GOP obstructionism. So spare me the crocodile tears please...
    From reading your post here sounds more like it is supporters of Obama doing the crying.....


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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    When Congress starts approving his appointees that have been waiting since 2009 then maybe you have a right to complain. The GOP has been obstructing Obama in everything so no wonder he is pissed. Obama is the president in US history who has had least appointments approved by Congress, and it is all down to GOP obstructionism. So spare me the crocodile tears please...
    He had pretty solid control for 2 years. I would say your statement is inaccurate...because if it were true, do you think there would be a conversation on health care right now?
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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Your son is about to be hit by a truck, but to get to him you must run across a lawn posted "No Trespassing".

    Do you trespass and save him.

    ~OR~

    Do you let him die?

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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Your son is about to be hit by a truck, but to get to him you must run across a lawn posted "No Trespassing".

    Do you trespass and save him.

    ~OR~

    Do you let him die?
    Do i like this son?
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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Unless they are ruling on Obamacare...then the other branches think they are out of control.
    No, they are certainly justified in hearing the case. I don't think anyone has said otherwise.
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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket boy View Post
    to me,
    the fact that he couldnt his own party
    to go along with him means he didnt have his ducks in a row.
    such a large majority,
    and such a popular newly elected president,
    the democrats shouldve been set to go on day 1.
    the president is the leader of his party,
    so i put that on him.
    Are you serious? Obama has had 100% Democratic support, or close to it, on most of his initiatives. I think it would be absolutely unprecedented if he got 100% support 100% of the time. Hell, Boehner can't even produce a bare majority of his caucus on important bills.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No, they are certainly justified in hearing the case. I don't think anyone has said otherwise.

    No, you're right. You haven't said that they shouldn't hear it, only that if they rule against what you think should be the proper ruling then you will demonize the court, and bitch about how it was a judicial fiat.


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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    No, they are certainly justified in hearing the case. I don't think anyone has said otherwise.
    I was being a butthead there. People, aka the president, can't believe they are ruling on it.
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