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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    I see, so we should compare the deficits created when attempting to recover from recession, to those created due to warfare and economic policy that likely led to said recession?
    Uh, sure, when you're referring to the "worst deficit we've ever seen."

    This is a very poor rebuttal...almost as bad as apdst's complete lack of one.

    Neither of you in any way addressed the validity of my comments, and instead proceed to avoid them by attacking first me, then Obama and the after effects of the recession I was commenting on in the first place.

    This is certainly not debate, and instead ignorance incarnate.
    I have no idea what you think this babbling is about.
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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There's no point responding to anyone who still thinks Bush de-regulated the banking industry that his policies, alone, caused the recession.

    There's the real ignorance.
    I agree. It was Phil Gramm and his GOP cohorts (like John McCain) in the Senate that deregulated the banks. GW merely helped implement the subprime mortgage scam that resulted from it.


    Fannie and Freddie were just another investor for the banks to swindle. GW Bush himself turned bankers shill and boasted that he got Fannie to commit to 440 Billion $ to buy the new subprimes in his 2002 "Minority Housing Initiative Program." He even evoked 911 and promised that the plan would "turn incredible evil into incredible good," I swear, I'm not making that up. Heres the bit about Fannie in 2002


    And so, therefore, I've called -- yesterday, I called upon the private sector to help us and help the home buyers. We need more capital in the private markets for first-time, low-income buyers. And I'm proud to report that Fannie Mae has heard the call and, as I understand, it's about $440 billion over a period of time. They've used their influence to create that much capital available for the type of home buyer we're talking about here. It's in their charter; it now needs to be implemented. Freddie Mac is interested in helping. I appreciate both of those agencies providing the underpinnings of good capital.
    HUD Archives: President George W. Bush Speaks to HUD Employees on National Homeownership Month (6/18/02)
    Can you believe he actually said "It's in their charter, it NOW needs to be implemented"? If you know why?, it all will make sense. Anyway there's plenty more, but I fear your brain might explode. If you are wondering where Ole Phil Gramm is now, he's on the board at UBS Bank. where else?
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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There's no point responding to anyone who still thinks Bush de-regulated the banking industry that his policies, alone, caused the recession.

    There's the real ignorance.
    I did not say those things, nor do I think them...still perhaps limiting communication between us is a good idea...Thus, the ignore function.

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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    It is a funny thing, when a conservative wins or is declared the winner by a Court his followers declare 'elections have meaning' and the President should get the people he wants to help run his Administration. When a democrat wins then the people he wants to help run his administration are declared commies or some such and held up.

    But the very premise of the OP is flawed. There is no shift on executive power. St Ronald used it and set the precedent long before Obama gained the White House. For that matter The War Powers Act ripped open the floodgate before some of you were even a twinkle in your saint of a mother's eye.

    When the minority leader of the Senate declares his first priority isn't creating jobs, or fighting terror, or finance reform, or even tax relief...

    no he declared his first priority was to make sure President Obama will be a one term President...

    Kind of makes you think you will need another way to get anything done...

    A thought on not being able to get ducks in a row, seems Speaker of the House Boehner has the same failure of leadership as well. Part of the problem with ducks is if you reach out to some more moderate ducks on the other side of the pond some of your more radical ducks bristle and refuse to play.

    Another problem is if the ducks on the other side of the pond do their damnest to make a twisted issue out of anything coming down from the Presidential Office.

    But repeating Fox Noise talking points about ducks is easier than seeing whats really going on.

    Quack...

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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    At least I'm not blaming, "excess liquidity", for the recession.
    Ah, well that explains your lack of understanding of what drives a bubble......that caused the recession.

    Nothing to see here, move along.
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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    I agree with you final statement...wholeheartedly.

    However, as for point one:
    "The Clinton years showed the effects of a large tax increase that Clinton pushed through in his first year, and that Republicans incorrectly claim is the "largest tax increase in history." It fell almost exclusively on upper-income taxpayers. Clinton’s fiscal 1994 budget also contained some spending restraints. An equally if not more powerful influence was the booming economy and huge gains in the stock markets, the so-called dot-com bubble, which brought in hundreds of millions in unanticipated tax revenue from taxes on capital gains and rising salaries."

    Attachment 67126484

    And yes, we live in a complex world that deals our Presidents the unforseen. There are issues that require spending...but we try to choose our leaders with wisdom in mind.
    PROJECTED surplus that never happened. NEVER. The National debts figures can be found here. Surplus = National debt goes down, Deficit = National debt goes up.
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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    PROJECTED surplus that never happened. NEVER. The National debts figures can be found here. Surplus = National debt goes down, Deficit = National debt goes up.
    Standard wingnut talking point No. 12....

    There are two accounts that people talk about: the gross debt and the debt held by the public. There was a surplus in the latter during Clinton's second term and that is what people refer to when they say he ran a surplus.

    But it's a bit of a moot point, because even if you look a the gross debt there is no question that Clinton reduced the deficits he inherited to nearly zero.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I agree. It was Phil Gramm and his GOP cohorts (like John McCain) in the Senate that deregulated the banks. GW merely helped implement the subprime mortgage scam that resulted from it.






    HUD Archives: President George W. Bush Speaks to HUD Employees on National Homeownership Month (6/18/02)
    Can you believe he actually said "It's in their charter, it NOW needs to be implemented"? If you know why?, it all will make sense. Anyway there's plenty more, but I fear your brain might explode. If you are wondering where Ole Phil Gramm is now, he's on the board at UBS Bank. where else?
    No kidding? Is he an Obama bundler too?

    One of President Obama’s largest financial backers is a key executive at the largest Swiss bank in the world, complicating his criticism of presumptive Republican nominee Mitt Romney.

    Robert Wolf is president of Swiss financial giant UBS Investment Bank and chairman of UBS Americas. He has been one of Obama’s most prolific fundraisers dating back to 2006, when the former Senator from Illinois initiated his run for the White House.

    Wolf has bundled more than $500,000 for the president’s reelection, campaign records show. He is but one of many wealthy bankers Obama has turned to in an effort to win a second term.

    According to campaign reporter John Heilemann, Obama and Wolf first met in December 2006 in a conference room owned by liberal billionaire George Soros
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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    I agree. It was Phil Gramm and his GOP cohorts (like John McCain) in the Senate that deregulated the banks. GW merely helped implement the subprime mortgage scam that resulted from it.


    Fannie and Freddie were just another investor for the banks to swindle. GW Bush himself turned bankers shill and boasted that he got Fannie to commit to 440 Billion $ to buy the new subprimes in his 2002 "Minority Housing Initiative Program." He even evoked 911 and promised that the plan would "turn incredible evil into incredible good," I swear, I'm not making that up. Heres the bit about Fannie in 2002



    HUD Archives: President George W. Bush Speaks to HUD Employees on National Homeownership Month (6/18/02)
    Can you believe he actually said "It's in their charter, it NOW needs to be implemented"? If you know why?, it all will make sense. Anyway there's plenty more, but I fear your brain might explode. If you are wondering where Ole Phil Gramm is now, he's on the board at UBS Bank. where else?
    You might wanna stop trying to hang everything on Bush's door and go allllllll the way back to the Carter administration, to see when the first CRA was passed.

    Seriosuly, dude! Read a book sometime.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    I did not say those things, nor do I think them...still perhaps limiting communication between us is a good idea...Thus, the ignore function.
    The hell you didn't.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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