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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Which one of Bush's policies caused the recession?

    I mean, we're still in a recession 3 years into Obama's only term and you don't place any responsibility at his door step. Nothing new there, though...huh?
    Bush's tax cuts contributed to the recession by creating excess liquidity which fueled the housing bubble. He actually prevented the states from enforcing stricter predatory lending laws, which also helped inflate the housing bubble. But mostly what he did was sit there with his thumb up his ass while the derivatives markets were going bat**** crazy.

    I've pointed this out to you before, and don't expect it will help to point it out again, but the recession ended in the summer of 2009.
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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You seem to lack basic understanding. Perhaps your reading is influenced by your prejudices?




    Do I need to define that word for you? They got bolder. They had targets close and could use others. Emboldened.
    So, we didn't do nything but motivate them? That's usually the natural response when an enemy come under attack. What's your solution? Do nothing and hope they stop hating us, one day? I'm sure that will work great.
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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, we didn't do nything but motivate them? That's usually the natural response when an enemy come under attack. What's your solution? Do nothing and hope they stop hating us, one day? I'm sure that will work great.
    Our enemy wasn't under attack. Iraq was. Our enemy merely took advantage of that.

    My solution would have been to keep our head, and quietly, but surely and actually track down and take out our enemy. Fight smart, with smaller, more surgical efforts. And not stupid as we did. I no, novel concept, but that would have been a better approach.

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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Our enemy wasn't under attack. Iraq was. Our enemy merely took advantage of that.

    My solution would have been to keep our head, and quietly, but surely and actually track down and take out our enemy. Fight smart, with smaller, more surgical efforts. And not stupid as we did. I no, novel concept, but that would have been a better approach.
    Terrorism is not something that happens abroad on a large scale when the country being targeted is vastly superior. Why? Becuase aside from what they like you to think, they aren't stupid. We have been bombing that country for ten freaking years before the second Gulf War. The didn't have to provoke us into anything, we were already there and all the air strikes that were carried out in that period killed more Iraqi's than Saddam ever did. And this was "peacetime". You think terrorists were stupid enough to provoke the full aggression of the US by attacking their native soil? "Terrorism" for them is more reasonably called "resistance" to occupation and it largely occurs in their own occupied country because they want US forces out of it. You really have no idea what has been going on their, how people feel, and the historical extent to which these feelings are buried.

    Being in the military and knowing the sophistication of both military and civilians air control procedures, there is absolutely no way this attack could have succeeded even if they did manage to actually hijack without considerable alarm having gone off well before the planes hit. The only people who were meant to be provoked on 9/11 were the American people. And we fell for it and are, apparently, still falling for it.
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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by makmugens View Post
    Terrorism is not something that happens abroad on a large scale when the country being targeted is vastly superior. Why? Becuase aside from what they like you to think, they aren't stupid. We have been bombing that country for ten freaking years before the second Gulf War. The didn't have to provoke us into anything, we were already there and all the air strikes that were carried out in that period killed more Iraqi's than Saddam ever did. And this was "peacetime". You think terrorists were stupid enough to provoke the full aggression of the US by attacking their native soil? "Terrorism" for them is more reasonably called "resistance" to occupation and it largely occurs in their own occupied country because they want US forces out of it. You really have no idea what has been going on their, how people feel, and the historical extent to which these feelings are buried.
    While I don't think we should have invaded Iraq, I sure as hell know Iraq wasn't an innocent little country being oppressed by the big bad USA. Iraq started a lot of this by invading Kuwait in the first place.

    Quote Originally Posted by makmugens View Post
    Being in the military and knowing the sophistication of both military and civilians air control procedures, there is absolutely no way this attack could have succeeded even if they did manage to actually hijack without considerable alarm having gone off well before the planes hit. The only people who were meant to be provoked on 9/11 were the American people. And we fell for it and are, apparently, still falling for it.
    Please tell us you are not a "truther" that believes the U.S. government was behind 9/11. If so, there is no reasoning with you because logic has gone byw-byw out the window with you if that is the case.

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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Bush's tax cuts contributed to the recession by creating excess liquidity which fueled the housing bubble. He actually prevented the states from enforcing stricter predatory lending laws, which also helped inflate the housing bubble. But mostly what he did was sit there with his thumb up his ass while the derivatives markets were going bat**** crazy.

    I've pointed this out to you before, and don't expect it will help to point it out again, but the recession ended in the summer of 2009.
    "excess liquidity"? Yeah, that hurt the economy, alright.

    Where do you people come up with this crap?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Our enemy wasn't under attack. Iraq was. Our enemy merely took advantage of that.

    My solution would have been to keep our head, and quietly, but surely and actually track down and take out our enemy. Fight smart, with smaller, more surgical efforts. And not stupid as we did. I no, novel concept, but that would have been a better approach.
    We drew out thousands of jihadists, into the open, so we could kill them.

    We put many-a-jihadi on ice in Iraq. We forced him to fight a fight that he wasn't prepared for. That's the objective of any military force, to choose the time and place to fight. You know that, right?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    "excess liquidity"? Yeah, that hurt the economy, alright.

    Where do you people come up with this crap?
    Good comeback.
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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Good comeback.
    At least I'm not blaming, "excess liquidity", for the recession.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    When President Bush was passing agenda items through executive order, liberals were screaming like stuck pigs that it was beyond his authority. But, now that it is Obama bypassing Congress it's all good eh?

    Constitutional is the key. We are already seeing that much of his agenda is NOT constitutional.

    j-mac
    First of all Bush had a rubber stamp Congress that passed everything he asked for. His executive orders were for things that he wouldn't have dared to ask Congress for like waterboarding prisoners.
    I appaud Obama for going around the obstructionist Congress any way he can, unlike Bush, he has a background in Constitutional law.

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