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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Wait . . . what?

    Have you seen the last few deficits?
    I see, so we should compare the deficits created when attempting to recover from recession, to those created due to warfare and economic policy that likely led to said recession?

    This is a very poor rebuttal...almost as bad as apdst's complete lack of one.

    Neither of you in any way addressed the validity of my comments, and instead proceed to avoid them by attacking first me, then Obama and the after effects of the recession I was commenting on in the first place.

    This is certainly not debate, and instead ignorance incarnate.

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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    I see, so we should compare the deficits created when attempting to recover from recession, to those created due to warfare and economic policy that likely led to said recession?

    This is a very poor rebuttal...almost as bad as apdst's complete lack of one.

    Neither of you in any way addressed the validity of my comments, and instead proceed to avoid them by attacking first me, then Obama and the after effects of the recession I was commenting on in the first place.

    This is certainly not debate, and instead ignorance incarnate.
    #1 A surplus never existed.
    #2 Every President has had a reason to run deficits
    • Reagan had the cold war
    • Bush had 9-11
    • Obama has recession


    Unless we stop tolerating excessive spending for any reason it will not stop
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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Why are you soo pissed off? Because he used his legal powers?


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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    I believe we do have a dangerous shift of power to the executive. It has not been limited to just this president. Congress passed laws with broad scopes that leave the administration of those laws to an agency run by the president's cabinet. That passes the power out of congress' hands and into the hands of the agency and ultimately the president.
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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I did!...LOL!!! You said the same thing, only in different words.

    You seem to lack basic understanding. Perhaps your reading is influenced by your prejudices?


    You said that we, "emboldened", the terrorists.

    Going to war with the Facists brough new recruits, too.
    Do I need to define that word for you? They got bolder. They had targets close and could use others. Emboldened.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    He went to the UN. It's not his fault they chickened out. Remember Colin Powells speech to the general assembly?

    I guess Saddam had too many friends in the UN.
    I didn't say Obama merely went to UN. I said he worked within the UN, and not on his own, and not with a coalition.

    And no, Saddam was contained and not killing his people at the time. We waited until most of that was done. In waiting, we merely added injury to injury. Had we acted like Obama when Saddam was actually killing his opposition, fewer would have opposed him. But when actions only increase deaths, the support dwindles with reason.

    So, to repeat, the situation and actions were different, not the same.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Blame America first...You should market that bumper sticker...
    And you should work on having some national esteem. Being too sensitive is a sign of low esteem.



    Seems I have heard this line of reasoning before in history...Sure your first name isn't Neville?


    j-mac

    No, that was just the false line apologists have used not to question anything. It goes back to one of things you have to do to sell a war, paint all opposition as unpatriotic appeasers. It is another way of avoidance and to not make a judgment other than for war. Another cheat. Another sign of poor national esteem.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenix View Post
    #1 A surplus never existed.
    #2 Every President has had a reason to run deficits
    • Reagan had the cold war
    • Bush had 9-11
    • Obama has recession


    Unless we stop tolerating excessive spending for any reason it will not stop
    I agree with you final statement...wholeheartedly.

    However, as for point one:
    "The Clinton years showed the effects of a large tax increase that Clinton pushed through in his first year, and that Republicans incorrectly claim is the "largest tax increase in history." It fell almost exclusively on upper-income taxpayers. Clinton’s fiscal 1994 budget also contained some spending restraints. An equally if not more powerful influence was the booming economy and huge gains in the stock markets, the so-called dot-com bubble, which brought in hundreds of millions in unanticipated tax revenue from taxes on capital gains and rising salaries."

    FederalDeficit(1).jpg

    And yes, we live in a complex world that deals our Presidents the unforseen. There are issues that require spending...but we try to choose our leaders with wisdom in mind.

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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    I see, so we should compare the deficits created when attempting to recover from recession, to those created due to warfare and economic policy that likely led to said recession?

    This is a very poor rebuttal...almost as bad as apdst's complete lack of one.

    Neither of you in any way addressed the validity of my comments, and instead proceed to avoid them by attacking first me, then Obama and the after effects of the recession I was commenting on in the first place.

    This is certainly not debate, and instead ignorance incarnate.
    There's no point responding to anyone who still thinks Bush de-regulated the banking industry that his policies, alone, caused the recession.

    There's the real ignorance.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Shift on executive power lets Obama bypass rivals

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I didn't say Obama merely went to UN. I said he worked within the UN, and not on his own, and not with a coalition.

    And no, Saddam was contained and not killing his people at the time. We waited until most of that was done. In waiting, we merely added injury to injury. Had we acted like Obama when Saddam was actually killing his opposition, fewer would have opposed him. But when actions only increase deaths, the support dwindles with reason.

    There wasn't a coalition effort in Libya?

    So, to repeat, the situation and actions were different, not the same.
    The only difference I see, is that Bush was in charge of one and The Messiah was in charge of the other.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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