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    Re: Drunk Driver Made to Wear Sign Saying He Killed a Man

    There's certainly jail time and punishment involved. I'm not saying they should be let off the hook or even get only 3 months in jail. But on some level it is an accident as there is no premeditation or intent to harm.
    If I were to suddenly discharge my firearm in a public park shooting at squirrels and hit a little kid in the head what charges do you believe I should face?

    I'm very much in the camp of "an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind".
    Why? An eye for an eye would not leave the whole world blind. Just the criminals.
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    Re: Drunk Driver Made to Wear Sign Saying He Killed a Man

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Accidental deaths caused while committing a crime are treated as murder under any other circumstance. Why should murdering someone while drunk make it suddenly better?
    If they are committing a crime that is actually causing harm to someone. A person who is speeding and kills someone while speeding is still charged (in most places) with the same thing or less that someone who was drinking and driving usually is, vehicular or involuntary manslaughter. A person who is jaywalking and causes an accident in which people die might be charged with reckless endangerment or possibly involuntary manslaughter, but not much more.

    See where this is going. It all depends on what the crime is that is being committed as to whether a person is charged with murder during the commission of the crime. In order for there to be a murder charge, the person had to actually threaten the person or someone else in some obvious way during the commission of the crime.
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    Re: Drunk Driver Made to Wear Sign Saying He Killed a Man

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    If I were to suddenly discharge my firearm in a public park shooting at squirrels and hit a little kid in the head what charges do you believe I should face?
    Reckless Endangerment, Reckless Discharge of Weapon (I don't know the actual name), Manslaughter.

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Why? An eye for an eye would not leave the whole world blind. Just the criminals.
    Because at some point it starts to involve other people and if we aggressively pursue these methods, there are going to be a non-zero number of innocent people caught in the system. It's one of my arguments against the death penalty. Proper enforcement and punishment is where we should shoot for, revenge type punishment is something we should get away from, I think anyway.
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    Re: Drunk Driver Made to Wear Sign Saying He Killed a Man

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    When someone does something wrong is it only tolerable and 'right' to punish them in private: and not let anyone know?
    We don't do that. Court records are open to the public. In fact, it must be so. Police must document arrests and courts must document court cases and punishments and this must be open to the People. Else people start to "disappear" and you never know why.
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    Re: Drunk Driver Made to Wear Sign Saying He Killed a Man

    Quote Originally Posted by Chiefgator View Post
    How is this NOT considered "cruel and unusual"???
    I think it's cruel and unusual to be struck dead by a drunk driver at a young age.

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    Re: Drunk Driver Made to Wear Sign Saying He Killed a Man

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    So for those who are still focused on how public-shame isn't an acceptable element in punishment just where does criticism and scrutiny within a forum thread online fall? Is that public shaming? Or is it not public shame for us to talk about him because we won't recognize him immediately on the street in relation to his crime we've heard about on TV and in the media.

    When someone does something wrong is it only tolerable and 'right' to punish them in private: and not let anyone know?

    I don't think any are saying he shouldn't get punished or even talked about, shunned, social punishment, etc..

    I know personally I see this sign wearing punishment in this particular case to just be a ridiculous and pointless punishment that could actually work against any rehab this guy might be in. He should have had to be in jail longer. Since the parole board or state officials decided the parole, then the judge could have given him many, many community service hours in place of the sign wearing. Making him wear a sign to humiliate him has little potential to deter future, similar behavior, by him or others, nor does it really benefit the community as a whole.
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    Re: Drunk Driver Made to Wear Sign Saying He Killed a Man

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    IMO, he got off light. 90 days in jail and a few Saturdays of public humiliation are nothing in comparison to willfully and knowingly making himself unsafe and causing the death of another.
    Wtf. He only got 90 days in jail?

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    Re: Drunk Driver Made to Wear Sign Saying He Killed a Man

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Reckless Endangerment, Reckless Discharge of Weapon (I don't know the actual name), Manslaughter.
    What differentiates murder 2 and manslaughter to you?

    Because at some point it starts to involve other people and if we aggressively pursue these methods, there are going to be a non-zero number of innocent people caught in the system. It's one of my arguments against the death penalty. Proper enforcement and punishment is where we should shoot for, revenge type punishment is something we should get away from, I think anyway.
    If a person maliciously murders somoene, in cold blood, not accidentally, not self defense, why should they be allowed to continue to live their life?
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    Re: Drunk Driver Made to Wear Sign Saying He Killed a Man

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Wtf. He only got 90 days in jail?
    His sentence was a couple of years, but he got out on what is called "shock parole", which means someone in the system decided to let him out on parole after only 90 days without ever telling him he was going to be released until he was. From the article, it seems like this decision involves a judge to decide what the person has to do while on their parole period.
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    Re: Drunk Driver Made to Wear Sign Saying He Killed a Man

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    What differentiates murder 2 and manslaughter to you?
    IMO, intent to harm

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    If a person maliciously murders somoene, in cold blood, not accidentally, not self defense, why should they be allowed to continue to live their life?
    Enacting the death penalty has several negative consequences including the consumption of innocent life in the process.
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