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    Re: Drunk Driver Made to Wear Sign Saying He Killed a Man

    Quote Originally Posted by Rapunzel52 View Post
    Well, I'm sure this guy doesn't have a license to drive right now, but prolly will some day again. I always thought they should have plates for DUI convictions for a period of time...front and rear, something to identify them on the road. You want your license back, here's your plate.
    Ok, as long as every bank robber, once released, has to wear a sign when they walk into a bank that says they have robbed a bank before.

    And every shoplifter who has stolen a candy bar wear a sign when walking into Wal Mart that says they are a shoplifter.

    Or every.......you get the point.

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    Re: Drunk Driver Made to Wear Sign Saying He Killed a Man

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I happen to agree with him, particularly with the part you quoted, and not only have I never had a driver's license, I also am a very lite drinker (I get drunk possibly once a year, have never been puking-drunk, and normally drink less than 2 drinks during a week, if even that). I'm 31, btw.
    And what does his point have to do with the punishment of someone that has had multiple DUI's that got away with killing another human?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well if your only goal is to insult and dismiss, mission accomplished.
    Just mentioning that what you put forth (diversion from the topic) is the same sort of stuff I have seen from alcoholics in the past.
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    Re: Drunk Driver Made to Wear Sign Saying He Killed a Man

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'm not quite sure for accidental deaths that I would be looking at life in prison. And that's a general, across the board statement.
    Accidental deaths caused while committing a crime are treated as murder under any other circumstance. Why should murdering someone while drunk make it suddenly better?
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    Re: Drunk Driver Made to Wear Sign Saying He Killed a Man

    Why didn't they hang a scarlet D around his neck. Is this judge a Puritan? This is not 1642.
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    Re: Drunk Driver Made to Wear Sign Saying He Killed a Man

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Accidental deaths caused while committing a crime are treated as murder under any other circumstance. Why should murdering someone while drunk make it suddenly better?
    I'm not talking about it making it better. I just don't see this as a life in prison sort of thing. Reckless endangerment and Manslaughter shouldn't really be life in prison offenses, IMO. This isn't premeditated murder and as such should not be treated as premeditated murder. Not saying that his punishment was enough. I don't actually have all the details of his court case nor do I know why he got such a seemingly lenient sentence. But it's still not premeditated murder and should not come with the punishments of premeditated murder.
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    Re: Drunk Driver Made to Wear Sign Saying He Killed a Man

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It is a crime because it has the potential to kill/hurt someone, not because the action itself is a crime.

    If you accidentally kill someone while robbing them, you were already causing another person harm by robbing them and you have demonstrated that you had at least a small intent to cause more harm to the person by threatening them with a weapon.

    But neither drinking by itself, nor driving by itself, nor really even drinking and driving together is going to always cause harm to someone else. Drinking alone increases your chances of causing harm to someone else, just as driving increases your chances (compared to you walking or not driving a large mass of metal moving an average of 50 mph) of causing harm to someone else. Drinking and driving together increases your chances even more of potentially causing harm to another but it does not guarantee that you will cause harm to someone else.

    What if we had similar penalties for drinking and hunting that we have for drinking and driving? Afterall, we are talking about a person who is operating a device meant to take lives and they are impairing their judgement by drinking (to a guy with blurred vision or itchy trigger finger, the other guy in the woods may look like a deer or rabbit or bear). Some states only take away a person hunting license as punishment for a hunting accident, even one that kills someone.

    Most people on here has said the guy should have gotten more time in jail for the drunk driving killing, but that doesn't mean he deserves being charged with the same as someone committing a separate crime who kills someone, someone who intentionally set out to do harm.
    Yes it does. He knowingly and actively was violating the laws of the United States and caused the death of another person. That person is not coming back in 90 days. He didn't accidently get drunk. He didnt accidently decide to drive. He intentionally murdered someone and got 90 days for it.
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    Re: Drunk Driver Made to Wear Sign Saying He Killed a Man

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Yes it does. He knowingly and actively was violating the laws of the United States and caused the death of another person. That person is not coming back in 90 days. He didn't accidently get drunk. He didnt accidently decide to drive. He intentionally murdered someone and got 90 days for it.
    If you can prove intent in a court of law, then by all means.
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    Re: Drunk Driver Made to Wear Sign Saying He Killed a Man

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I'm not quite sure for accidental deaths that I would be looking at life in prison.
    If you get into a car while tanked up on booze, and take off down the road, whatever happens, is not an 'accident'. It may well be ignorance, selfishness, or apathy, but it is not an 'accident'.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It is a crime because it has the potential to kill/hurt someone, not because the action itself is a crime.
    Huh? No, it is a crime, in and of itself. Not only is it a crime, but being drunk and just getting in your car like you are going to drive, in many places, shows intent and that is a crime as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Ok, as long as every bank robber, once released, has to wear a sign when they walk into a bank that says they have robbed a bank before.
    Works for me...
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    Re: Drunk Driver Made to Wear Sign Saying He Killed a Man

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If you can prove intent in a court of law, then by all means.
    Taking an action that is known to cause death constitutes intent.
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    Re: Drunk Driver Made to Wear Sign Saying He Killed a Man

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Taking an action that is known to cause death constitutes intent.
    But drinking and driving isn't known to cause death. It's known to increase probabilities of being involved in an accident. Though I suppose you are consistent in that if someone had been changing the radio station or texting and it caused a death, you'd be looking to throw those people in jail for life too. Still, I feel that life in prison for reckless endangerment and manslaughter is a bit harsh.
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