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    Re: Military Cancels Ted Nugent Performance Citing Violent Rhetoric About Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    This has jack to do with freedom of expression. Fort Knox commanders can pick and choose whichever performances they approve of or don't.
    I doubt that this has anything to do with the command at Fort Knox.
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    Re: Military Cancels Ted Nugent Performance Citing Violent Rhetoric About Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    What do you mean it does not work like that in the US

    It just did.

    Ted is still free to say what he wants, the government did not pay for nor get Ted's services, and service members will get their money back probably

    Ted, does not have the right to say what he wants on the governments dime, nor would the Dixie Chicks
    It's not the government's dime. The troops are paying for the concert.
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    Re: Military Cancels Ted Nugent Performance Citing Violent Rhetoric About Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I doubt that this has anything to do with the command at Fort Knox.
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    "After learning of opening act Ted Nugent's recent public comments about the president of the United States, Fort Knox leadership decided to cancel his performance on the installation," it's Facebook posting says.
    The performance is being organized by the Army, for its own troops. The leadership have the right to invite or uninvite anyone they wish. This is not a private performance by Teddy, so that whole "freedom of expression" argument is irrelevant.
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    Re: Military Cancels Ted Nugent Performance Citing Violent Rhetoric About Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's not the government's dime. The troops are paying for the concert.
    The government would have been the one to pay Ted, not the troops. Had only 10 soldiers decided to pay to see Ted, the government would have had to cover the vast majority of the costs, and most likely even with a full house the government would have covered some costs.
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    Re: Military Cancels Ted Nugent Performance Citing Violent Rhetoric About Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    The government would have been the one to pay Ted, not the troops. Had only 10 soldiers decided to pay to see Ted, the government would have had to cover the vast majority of the costs, and most likely even with a full house the government would have covered some costs.
    Had only ten people bought tickets, the concert would have been cancelled.
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    Re: Military Cancels Ted Nugent Performance Citing Violent Rhetoric About Obama

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    The performance is being organized by the Army, for its own troops. The leadership have the right to invite or uninvite anyone they wish. This is not a private performance by Teddy, so that whole "freedom of expression" argument is irrelevant.
    Spin it how you want, but at the end of the day, it's the suppression of free speech.
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    Re: Military Cancels Ted Nugent Performance Citing Violent Rhetoric About Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's not the government's dime. The troops are paying for the concert.
    Then troops can pay to see Nugent somewhere else. But he is no longer welcome to perform on government property.

    Spin it how you want, but at the end of the day, it's the suppression of free speech.
    You're the one spinning. The government protects the right to free speech but it doesn't protect the right to threaten the president and rightly so.
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    Re: Military Cancels Ted Nugent Performance Citing Violent Rhetoric About Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Then troops can pay to see Nugent somewhere else.
    Yeah, to hell with troop morale. Right? Politics takes priority.

    But he is no longer welcome to perform on government property.
    "...as long as Obama is president", you mean?
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    Re: Military Cancels Ted Nugent Performance Citing Violent Rhetoric About Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Had only ten people bought tickets, the concert would have been cancelled.
    And would Ted's free speech have been supressed because of it?
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    Re: Military Cancels Ted Nugent Performance Citing Violent Rhetoric About Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah, to hell with troop morale. Right? Politics takes priority.
    Well, you should have thought about that in 2003.

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