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Food Stamp Rolls to Grow Through 2014, CBO Says

American said:
Let's talk about welfare, we have way to many on it.
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Yes, the economy has tanked and more people need it. That is a problem. It always is good to blame the victims, those who suffer, because that makes those doing well feel better about themselves, you know, just a little superior.
 
Arbo said:
Man, you folks on the left really don't give a crap about fraud and abuse in the system, unless it's a 'system' you don't like or agree with eh?

Some of us stand on principle, that fraud and waste is bad, no matter what system it is in.
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It's amazing how "you folks on the right" whine about welfare fraud to the tune of $750M and completely ignore tax fraud and evasion that tops almost $300B (with a 'b') per year, which is ~10% loss of revenue. I suppose since none of you believe in taxes it's "deserved" in your opinion. You guys probably have a tax party every 16th April and discuss how much you've scammed Uncle Sam.

But some of us do stand on principle and manage to include reality in that stance. The reality is there's a ~$300B hole in tax collection and there's hardly a whimper while a $0.75B hole in food stamps provokes Republican outrage. If we're going to spend money to track down cheaters let's start at the IRS where our ROI is better.

http://www.irs.gov/pub/newsroom/tax_gap_report_-final_version.pdf
 
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MoSurveyor said:
It's amazing how "you folks on the right" whine about welfare fraud to the tune of $750M and completely ignore tax fraud and evasion that tops almost $300B (with a 'b') per year,
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Um, who is ignoring it? You should be paying your taxes, and you should not be appointing people into positions of authority that do not pay their taxes.
 
Arbo said:
Food Stamp Rolls to Grow Through 2014, CBO Says - Real Time Economics - WSJ



Enrollment way up, spending more than doubled. Yeah, it is obvious this economy is on the right track and growing. :roll:
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This is the issue with our society nowadays.

People have jobs, yes, but the wages they earn are not enough for them to live off of. Which is why they still qualify for food stamps to spend on food to supplement their income.

Welcome to the growth of the working poor in America.
 
samsmart said:
People have jobs, yes, but the wages they earn are not enough for them to live off of. Which is why they still qualify for food stamps to spend on food to supplement their income.
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An oversimplification, if not outright dishonest don't you think?

When I drive by the trailer park and see big new 4x4 trucks and SUV's, when the person in line paying with food stamps is busy texting on their iPhone... it's not a matter of not having enough money to eat, it's a lack of self control and a skewed sense of importance. Probably with a bit of 'buy the good stuff, we can get government to buy the necessities' thrown in.
 
Arbo said:
Um, who is ignoring it? You should be paying your taxes, and you should not be appointing people into positions of authority that do not pay their taxes.
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By the same token you shouldn't lie when you apply for food stamps and you shouldn't be appointing people into positions of authority that lie on their food stamp application.
 
MoSurveyor said:
By the same token you shouldn't lie when you apply for food stamps and you shouldn't be appointing people into positions of authority that lie on their food stamp application.
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Hmm, what happened to your original response? It was much more out there and bizarre.
 
Arbo said:
An oversimplification, if not outright dishonest don't you think?

When I drive by the trailer park and see big new 4x4 trucks and SUV's, when the person in line paying with food stamps is busy texting on their iPhone... it's not a matter of not having enough money to eat, it's a lack of self control and a skewed sense of importance. Probably with a bit of 'buy the good stuff, we can get government to buy the necessities' thrown in.
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Please provide proof that every single person on food stamps is buying expensive cars and texting on their iphone.

Because saying that every one of them do is dishonest as well.

And since our public transportation absolutely sucks, how do you expect these working poor to get around to their jobs if they don't have their own car? And having a smartphone is cheaper than having a computer and a home modem or a land line. How do you expect them to keep in touch with their boss without a cellphone?

In this modern technological age, a car and a cellphone are necessities. That's not their fault.
 
samsmart said:
Please provide proof that every single person on food stamps is buying expensive cars and texting on their iphone.

Because saying that every one of them do is dishonest as well.
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Why do so many people have reading comprehension problems? Can you point to where I said or even hinted that it was 'every single person'? Take all the time you need, but I'll give you a bit of help, I didn't do either.

And since our public transportation absolutely sucks, how do you expect these working poor to get around to their jobs if they don't have their own car? And having a smartphone is cheaper than having a computer and a home modem or a land line. How do you expect them to keep in touch with their boss without a cellphone?

In this modern technological age, a car and a cellphone are necessities. That's not their fault.
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Yes, more of the liberal excuses. Hard to imagine I'd see this sort of stuff so often on this forum. :roll:

It's simply amazing humanity didn't fade away and cease to exist on this planet without all these things that are 'necessities' for most of our existance.
 
Arbo said:
Hmm, what happened to your original response? It was much more out there and bizarre.
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Did I exaggerate to make a point? Yes. Since I didn't provide a reference that should have been obvious. Did you respond to the point? Not really. Instead, you chose to blather on about a group of people unrelated to the point. What more is there to say about it until you address it?
 
Arbo said:
Why do so many people have reading comprehension problems? Can you point to where I said or even hinted that it was 'every single person'? Take all the time you need, but I'll give you a bit of help, I didn't do either.
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Then your anecdotal evidence of people with food stamps and cars do not apply.



Arbo said:
Yes, more of the liberal excuses. Hard to imagine I'd see this sort of stuff so often on this forum. :roll:
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You're right. It's a much better idea to not expect those who are working low paying jobs or without any jobs at all who are on food stamps to have cars of their own.

Of course, then they wouldn't be able to get from their homes to their work, which means they couldn't gain or keep any employment.

But that's conservative thinking for you, I suppose.

Arbo said:
It's simply amazing humanity didn't fade away and cease to exist on this planet without all these things that are 'necessities' for most of our existance.
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Yeah, which is why I said in "this modern, technical society" they are necessities. Way to prove your own lack of reading comprehension there.
 
samsmart said:
You're right. It's a much better idea to not expect those who are working low paying jobs or without any jobs at all who are on food stamps to have cars of their own.

Of course, then they wouldn't be able to get from their homes to their work, which means they couldn't gain or keep any employment.

But that's conservative thinking for you, I suppose.
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And don't forget, conservatives aren't big fans of mass transit, either, so these people are just stuck walking or riding a bike, even if it is 20-30 miles to work.
 
MoSurveyor said:
Did I exaggerate to make a point? Yes.
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I'm not sure I've ever seen you make a point.

samsmart said:
Then your anecdotal evidence of people with food stamps and cars do not apply.
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Huh? So because some people do live within their means that are on food stamps, then all the rest can be discounted? Fine lack of logic on that one.

You're right. It's a much better idea to not expect those who are working low paying jobs or without any jobs at all who are on food stamps to have cars of their own.

Of course, then they wouldn't be able to get from their homes to their work, which means they couldn't gain or keep any employment.

But that's conservative thinking for you, I suppose.



Yeah, which is why I said in "this modern, technical society" they are necessities. Way to prove your own lack of reading comprehension there.
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Every day I find a new brick wall around here.

Yes, I understand you appear to be joining the ranks of those that see a car and a smart phone as 'rights', and are incapable of understanding that it is possible to live life and earn a living without them.

Of course, the fact that people can freely move about to where there is work, is irrelevant eh? Yeah, don't bother, I've heard the excuses for that one too: 'how can they move if they have no money' and 50 other ones. It's sad and pathetic when people do not take responsibility for their own lives, and do not take whatever steps are necessary to ensure they make enough money to support themselves and their family.
 
MoSurveyor said:
And don't forget, conservatives aren't big fans of mass transit,
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Yeah, that is SO true... and must be why you can get on the subway or a bus in any major city and find conservatives... Because they aren't big fans and so hate public transportation. :roll:
 
Arbo said:
I'm not sure I've ever seen you make a point.
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1. It costs money to investigate and prosecute fraud. As fraud becomes less prevalent (is a lower percentage) it becomes more expensive to stop. In other words, reducing fraud from 10% to 9% is much cheaper than reducing it from 1% to 0.001%.

2. The IRS comes up $300B short each year from non-compliance and food stamps fraud is $0.75B each year.
In your opinion, how much money should we add to the IRS budget to ensure compliance on $300B and how much should we add to the food stamp budget to ensure compliance on $0.75B?
 
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MoSurveyor said:
In your opinion, how much money should we add to the IRS budget to ensure compliance on $300B
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Well, I have read at different points in time, of the IRS spending a lot of money on firearms. Perhaps their plan to 'ensure compliance' is in the works based on that.
 
 
Arbo said:
Well, I have read at different points in time, of the IRS spending a lot of money on firearms. Perhaps their plan to 'ensure compliance' is in the works based on that.
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Lame - as expected. :roll:
 
Cloward-Piven strategy - get as many as you can dependent on the government to collapse the system.
 
Arbo said:
I'm not sure I've ever seen you make a point.



Huh? So because some people do live within their means that are on food stamps, then all the rest can be discounted? Fine lack of logic on that one.



Every day I find a new brick wall around here.

Yes, I understand you appear to be joining the ranks of those that see a car and a smart phone as 'rights', and are incapable of understanding that it is possible to live life and earn a living without them.

Of course, the fact that people can freely move about to where there is work, is irrelevant eh? Yeah, don't bother, I've heard the excuses for that one too: 'how can they move if they have no money' and 50 other ones. It's sad and pathetic when people do not take responsibility for their own lives, and do not take whatever steps are necessary to ensure they make enough money to support themselves and their family.
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Are you trying to make an argument that people with cars or cell phones should not receive fed/state food assistance because they have cars or cell phones? Do you have any clue as to how little you have to make to qualify for SANP assistance? We are talking poverty level. Many families still have working members (who need their own transportation and phones for work) but the income levels for that household is still extremely low.

I don't think you have any clue to the level of poverty that exists still in this nation or the increases that have occurred as a result of this recession. You sound very isolated. SNAP is nearly the last real bit of "welfare" remaining for most households. We are talking about food. It isn't as if we are a rural society where people live on farms, able to grow their own. Get a clue.
 
Rapunzel52 said:
Yep, it's Bushy's fault....just keep living in your fantasy world. What flavor Kool-Aid is that?
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LOL...I don't know who else was pres when the '08 crash happened.

I suppose FDR was responsible for the '29 crash...
 
Gimmesometruth said:
LOL...I don't know who else was pres when the '08 crash happened.

I suppose FDR was responsible for the '29 crash...
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No, you can't. But realizing the strength of the reflex, Samuel Prescott Bush, GWB's great grandfather, was politically active in the Republican ranks at the time and can probably be blamed, at least in part.
 
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