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    Re: Food Stamp Rolls to Grow Through 2014, CBO Says

    They should put Obama's image on food stamps in his honor.

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    Re: Food Stamp Rolls to Grow Through 2014, CBO Says

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    I would be interested in seeing those number too. I know many people on food stamps who will take you shopping for your groceries and you give them cash equal to 50% of the transaction. Selling food stamps is fairly common. I am not going to estimate a percentage of people who do it, however, I can tell you that there is no shortage of people doing it. If I were to guess, I'd say that 1% was based on convictions.
    I agree. I haven't seen much of any statistics that I would feel good about quoting. But I think this fellow states my thoughts on the matter fairly well:

    Well, accurate welfare fraud statistics are simply not maintained properly on a state-by-state basis, virtually allowing politicians and welfare foes to throw out any number that sounds good, like Reagan’s Cadillac story.

    Not tracking these trends is a mistake on the part of any local government. Not producing and publishing accurate figures will allow the poor to continue getting a bad rap, while the frauds will simply keep on bilking the system.

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    Re: Food Stamp Rolls to Grow Through 2014, CBO Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I would be interested to see numbers. A student quoted in a speech the other day that actual abuses only add up to about 1% of those on food stamps. If true, and as it wasn't my class and no work cited turned into me, than it would be hard to better than that.
    Food Stamp Fraud Still Costs The US $750 Million Each Year - Business Insider

    And the food stamp fraud rate has more than doubled since the U.S. Dept. of Agriculture's 2006-2008 report, when it was estimated to suck $330 million from the country annually.
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    Re: Food Stamp Rolls to Grow Through 2014, CBO Says

    Isn't Welfare in the neighborhood of a 60 Billion dollar a year proposition? Not saying we shouldn't tighten up, but some perspective might be needed.

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    Re: Food Stamp Rolls to Grow Through 2014, CBO Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Hmm...1% fraud.

    Wow.
    As others have stated, they don't know the full extent, as they don't keep a lot of records, nor do they have the manpower to do a lot of checking.

    And maybe it's just me, but a 3/4's of a billion dollars of wasted money is still a hell of a lot of money wasted. But maybe I see it that way because I don't see the 'rich' as an empty checkbook to write losses off against, unlike many on the left do.
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    Re: Food Stamp Rolls to Grow Through 2014, CBO Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    As others have stated, they don't know the full extent, as they don't keep a lot of records, nor do they have the manpower to do a lot of checking.

    And maybe it's just me, but a 3/4's of a billion dollars of wasted money is still a hell of a lot of money wasted. But maybe I see it that way because I don't see the 'rich' as an empty checkbook to write losses off against, unlike many on the left do.
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    Re: Food Stamp Rolls to Grow Through 2014, CBO Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    As others have stated, they don't know the full extent, as they don't keep a lot of records, nor do they have the manpower to do a lot of checking.

    And maybe it's just me, but a 3/4's of a billion dollars of wasted money is still a hell of a lot of money wasted. But maybe I see it that way because I don't see the 'rich' as an empty checkbook to write losses off against, unlike many on the left do.
    Yeah, a big number.....BUT IT IS A HUGE PROGRAM.

    If person is overwhelmed by the numbers and can't deal with the proportion, maybe they shouldn't comment.

    If you can show a similar system that has lower levels of fraud...go for it.
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    Re: Food Stamp Rolls to Grow Through 2014, CBO Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    As others have stated, they don't know the full extent, as they don't keep a lot of records, nor do they have the manpower to do a lot of checking.

    And maybe it's just me, but a 3/4's of a billion dollars of wasted money is still a hell of a lot of money wasted. But maybe I see it that way because I don't see the 'rich' as an empty checkbook to write losses off against, unlike many on the left do.
    No one suggests there is no problem, but perfection is not possible. So, 1% is pretty damn good. Hell, 5% is good. Start moving into double digits, and it gets more troublesome. But you have to provide what percentage are we speaking about? And we all seem to be saying that we need better and more accurate stats and accountability.

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    Re: Food Stamp Rolls to Grow Through 2014, CBO Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    As others have stated, they don't know the full extent, as they don't keep a lot of records, nor do they have the manpower to do a lot of checking.

    And maybe it's just me, but a 3/4's of a billion dollars of wasted money is still a hell of a lot of money wasted. But maybe I see it that way because I don't see the 'rich' as an empty checkbook to write losses off against, unlike many on the left do.
    Yes, some people would rather we spend an additional $1B to almost wipe out that $750M loss. Of course, it's incredibly stupid to spend $1B chasing $750M and even more people would complain about all the overhead costs and the "swelling ranks of government workers!" if we did it - but at least no one would get by with fraud!
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