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    Re: Food Stamp Rolls to Grow Through 2014, CBO Says

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Yeah, the poor jerk who may not have even graduated high school should know full well that the banker offering to finanace him is a complete idiot.

    The bankers signed the contracts, too. In fact, they advertised to pull people in, they set the terms of the contact, they facilitated it's up-front cost by taking the bankers origination fee and other costs and "folding" them into the loan. Then they took their $1000+ origination fee, which they got regardless of later foreclosure.

    Afterword they sold those poorly documented and sometimes fraudulent mortgages to someone else - who in turn bundled them, paid their buddies at S&P/etc to mis-label them, then sold them again so they wouldn't be stuck with the assets they knew full well were toxic.

    Hell, JPMorgan was shown more than once to have advertised transactions on one side while they were hedging them on the other. LOL!
    You gotta' love those bankers!

    Blaming the people that offered you the money YOU wanted, at substantial risk of loss to themselves, then later couldn't afford, because of your lack of prior planning, or care to even budget is NOT THEIR PROBLEM.

    Yeah, telling some he's a ****ing lazy bastard for being laid off from his job of twenty years because of a financial crisis is a good way to start a teacher-student relationship.
    What, Who said that? Now you are making **** up. Look, when I was in school, we had classes in middle school that taught us how to balance a check book, budget money, and calculate household expenses. Where is that today?

    You have generations that are not being taught to be financially self sufficient, instead sending generational message that Sugar Daddy Government will take care of you cradle to grave. That is NOT America.

    Maybe you want to be a slave to the US Government, and have your children be slaves to the Government, not me.


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    Re: Food Stamp Rolls to Grow Through 2014, CBO Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Choo, Choo! Train keeps rolling, down it's narrow track.
    The facts sometimes suck, don't they?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Some jumbled up crap there. It's just too early in the morning to even attempt to follow your convoluted pseudo logic in the first part. If a job 'requires' a cell phone, than it should provide one... if it is need that often for the purpose of that job. If it does not, than it can not be required.
    Tell that to the employers who have 5 people to choose from for every one job opening. Of those five I have no doubt at least one would be more than willing to use their personal cell phone.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    All in all, is there any point where you start putting personal responsibility into the mix? Because so far it seems you absolutely refuse to consider that part of the equation into anything.
    Everybody suffers from the consequences of their actions. If you think the guy living out of a suitcase really wants to live like that you should think again. If you think the mother of two who lost her husband really wants to use a food stamp credit card, think again. There may be a few people getting government money who would rather sit around all day and do nothing but I'm sure the vast majority would rather have a job that paid enough so they could afford all their bills without any help.
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    Re: Food Stamp Rolls to Grow Through 2014, CBO Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    A home is not always an investment and is actually a liability.
    BS, for the majority of home owners it has been an asset with increasing value which you already admitted can be used as collateral. Have you ever owned real property?
    There is a difference between investors selling dogs and a homeowner dumping his debt obligations, solely because it didn't pan out.
    The homeowner made a promise to pay, should a person not be held accountable for breaking their promise?
    Again, an inexperienced comment....of course there are consequences, it creates a huge black mark on your credit rating lasting for at least 5 years.

    Silly people bucking age old advice, about not putting all their eggs in one basket.
    Red herring, no one said it was the only investment....oh snap, did you imply it was an investment?

    Yes, you did.



    Yes, I do.
    I expect adults to behave like adults.

    Making excuses as to why you can't honor you obligations, is not gonna cut it.
    Maybe they should of factored job loss into the financial picture, when they purchased their home.
    Had they made preparations, this wouldn't have been an issue.

    If you're living month to month, on borrowed money and time, I have no moral obligation to feel sorry for you.
    Especially when you could of done otherwise.
    Yes yes, millions of families in the US, most of them 2 income households, should have anticipated the massive job losses of 07-09 and the subsequent tight job market following the worst drop in the economy since 1929 and should have had enough saved up to pay their mortgages despite the fact that savings in the decades leading up to this were the lowest due to non-existent wage increases.

    All of this....is their fault.
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    Re: Food Stamp Rolls to Grow Through 2014, CBO Says

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    The facts sometimes suck, don't they?
    I have yet to see you provide any.

    If you think the guy living out of a suitcase really wants to live like that you should think again. If you think the mother of two who lost her husband really wants to use a food stamp credit card, think again.
    So in answer to asking you if you ever believe in personal responsibility, we get 'No' as your answer. Figured as much.
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    Re: Food Stamp Rolls to Grow Through 2014, CBO Says

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Everybody suffers from the consequences of their actions. If you think the guy living out of a suitcase really wants to live like that you should think again. If you think the mother of two who lost her husband really wants to use a food stamp credit card, think again. There may be a few people getting government money who would rather sit around all day and do nothing but I'm sure the vast majority would rather have a job that paid enough so they could afford all their bills without any help.

    There is no way you can quantify that statement. This is your belief, and one driven through emotion.

    What I am saying should be in the goal of what your statement is if you truly believe what you said.


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    Re: Food Stamp Rolls to Grow Through 2014, CBO Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    All of this....is their fault.
    In the days of old (aka, the days of being responsible for oneself and one's family), people were taught to save. Some have carried on that tradition. While others have become the consistent child sucking off the government tit, and blaming everyone else for their own inadequacies.

    So as the old saying goes, piss poor planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part.
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    Re: Food Stamp Rolls to Grow Through 2014, CBO Says

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    There is no way you can quantify that statement. This is your belief, and one driven through emotion.

    What I am saying should be in the goal of what your statement is if you truly believe what you said.


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    Can you quantify your statement? Show the emotion. Can you never say something like this is true without it being called emotional? Or is it possible you'd like to frame it this way so as to not address what he is saying?

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    Re: Food Stamp Rolls to Grow Through 2014, CBO Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Can you quantify your statement? Show the emotion. Can you never say something like this is true without it being called emotional? Or is it possible you'd like to frame it this way so as to not address what he is saying?
    I did address it. However to humor you Mo said "I'm sure the vast majority would rather have a job..."

    Suppose you tell me how he would know that with such absolute conviction? Did he conduct a survey of every welfare recipient?

    As for you characterization of what I am saying, you'd do better to debate rather than try to make this personal?

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    Re: Food Stamp Rolls to Grow Through 2014, CBO Says

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I did address it. However to humor you Mo said "I'm sure the vast majority would rather have a job..."

    Suppose you tell me how he would know that with such absolute conviction? Did he conduct a survey of every welfare recipient?

    As for you characterization of what I am saying, you'd do better to debate rather than try to make this personal?

    j-mac
    The same way we all make rather common judgments. His comment was reasonable and not emotion laden. I have no idea why you threw in the emotion thing, so I asked if you were trying to frame it that way to avoid. It's a fair question.

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    Re: Food Stamp Rolls to Grow Through 2014, CBO Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The same way we all make rather common judgments.
    Oh, ok. So when I, or other conservatives make statements about what their observations in life are in relation to their political beliefs then it is, ahem, in your own words, 'overgeneralization'....But when someone you agree with does the same thing, then it is just a "rather common judgement...." Yeah, get off it man.


    I have no idea why you threw in the emotion thing, so I asked if you were trying to frame it that way to avoid. It's a fair question.
    Actually it is more a "when did you stop beating your wife?" question. But, I'll humor you......The answer is no!


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