“If we must have an enemy at the head of Government, let it be one whom we can oppose, and for whom we are not responsible, who will not involve our party in the disgrace of his foolish and bad measures.”
- Alexander Hamilton. Spiritual father of #NeverTrump
Likely, Panetta is simply doing what he should be doing...posturing right back at NK to let them know we are waiting for them to make a stupid mistake.
It is extremely unlikely we would attack them, and though they know this, they probably also know we would decimate them if we had to.
12 b2 Bombers would be able to wipe out the DMZ in a matter of hours, which would pretty much destroy the NK military.
"The DMZ is approximately 4km wide and 250km long, stretching from the Yellow Sea (or West Sea) in the west to the Sea of Japan (or East Sea) in the east. Contrary to its name, this zone is located within one of the world’s most heavily militarised areas. More than one million troops and 20,000 armoured vehicles and artillery pieces – plus more than one million landmines and numerous fortified defensive positions – are packed into a small area surrounding the DMZ. Furthermore, there is little ‘strategic depth’ between the DMZ and the capital cities of Pyongyang (about 125km north of the DMZ) and Seoul (approximately 40km south of the DMZ). As a comparison, forces on either side of the DMZ are more densely concentrated than were those of the Warsaw Pact and the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) in Central Europe during the Cold War. "
International Institute for Strategic Studies The Conventional Military Balance on the Kore
[QUOTE=Hare;1060416942]North Korea isn't a socialist state it's an authoritarian regime. How on earth are our poor "socialistic morons?" I'll wait for an reasonable explanation, but I won't hold my breath./QUOTE]
NK is a socialist state, they persue the socialist socio-economic model. Socialism can only truely exist if you either get 100% of the population to support it or through authoritarian regimes, otherwise you cannot convert from private ownership to "community" or government ownership . Under Socialist theory, the government is intitially acting to bring about the "social" ownership of means of production and distribution. One of the problems that most implementations of socialism runs into is human nature, power corrupts, so those in the government that gain power to bring about the social ownership and distribution are corrupted by the power invested in them needed to bring about the change and don't then relinquish power after effecting the change. All those regimes that the socialist amongst us like to keep claiming are not socialist are indeed failed implementations of socialism and very clearly demonstrate some of the dangers in perusing a socilist socio-economic model. I do find it strange though that a self-discribed centrist is argueing that point instead of the usual self-proclaimed socialist that frequent our find board here.
I did not say all of our poor were socialistic morons, only most. Calling any group morons or calling anything moronic is clearly expression of opinion. Most will recognise it as an expression of opinion and not intended to be absolutely factual. But since my expression of my opinion did the job it was supposed to do, draw someone out that is willing to actually discuss and debate the "facts" and logic that are the basis of that opinion, I shall now express those "facts" and logic as I see them that I use to form that opinion. Every implementation of socialism that has ever been tried has led to increased poverty, stagnation of human progress and bankruptcy of the nations that pursued it, it has also never provided the level of prosperity that some seem to think it promises. So, in my opinion, to pursue such a socio-economic model that has clearly failed time and time again, is moronic. One definition for insane is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results, by this definition and the repeated failure of the implementation of socialism, it could be reasonably argued that those pursuing socialism are demonstating insanity. That is why I called it moronic and those pusuing it morons.
Many poor in our country, I would even say most, but you are free to disagree with that assesment, vote for and support the liberal agenda. That agenda attempts to redistribute wealth and services through government control of means of production and distribution, aka, socialism. This agenda is popular amongst the poor because it promises them things that are beyond there ability to achieve by themselves and satisfy their greed. That is why I have labeled them socialistic. As stated above, the pursuit of a socialistic agenda is, in my opinion, moronic, thus, I conclude that they are socialistic morons.
Because leaving them alone would be incredibly foolish. While unlikely under current prospects North Korea will do the extreme course, that does not mean that the entire international community, including the largest superpower in the world should just disengage. We all have interests in containing the problem.
Last edited by Fiddytree; 04-22-12 at 10:46 PM.
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