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Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

What are you guys even arguing about? Oil is running out.


It may be, but it is the severity, and dare I say it 'crisis level' that is the lie here. Any reasonable person can agree that natural resources like oil could be finite, and there fore alternatives needed. However, what is unreasonable is placing that finite resource off limits, to drive up price making alternatives plausible to create, while at the same time creating a misery factor of the very people one says they champion. It is dishonest.


j-mac
 
May 4, 2012

Panetta tells troops misconduct hurts morale, mission


"The enemy may be losing on the battlefield in Afghanistan, but he is trying to win the public relations war with the help of misconduct among a few U.S. military personnel, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta told soldiers Friday."

"These days, it takes only seconds -- seconds -- for a picture, a photo to suddenly become an international headline. And those headlines can impact the mission that we are engaged in," Panetta said. "It can put your fellow service members at risk. It can hurt morale. It can damage our standing in the world and they can cost lives."

A report issued this week by the Pentagon noted several "significant shocks" in Afghanistan from October to March, including the release of a video of U.S. Marines urinating on corpses, the inadvertent burning of religious materials by U.S. personnel and the alleged killing of 17 civilians by a lone U.S. soldier.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai last month condemned photos of U.S. soldiers posing with bodies of suspected insurgents.

Karzai, who described the images as "inhumane and provocative," said "the only way to put an end to such painful experiences" was to end the presence of foreign forces in Afghanistan."

Panetta tells troops misconduct hurts morale, mission - CNN
 
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Putting aside for a second the current cost of extraction and refining of the muck they call shale oil and gas, you are ignoring the detrimental effects to the environment of continued dependence on fossil fuel burning for energy.
You mean that nasty stuff that heats your home & keeps you from freezing to death? Or keeps you from having to walk miles a day just to get to work or the store or anywhere for that matter. If its so dirty then why dont you Liberals lead by example and bike everywhere you go & put windmills & solar panels on your house & scrap the SUV, the furnace and the Air conditioner. You wont of course which makes the hypocracy of this discussion laughable.
 
May 4, 2012

Panetta tells troops misconduct hurts morale, mission


"The enemy may be losing on the battlefield in Afghanistan, but he is trying to win the public relations war with the help of misconduct among a few U.S. military personnel, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta told soldiers Friday."

"These days, it takes only seconds -- seconds -- for a picture, a photo to suddenly become an international headline. And those headlines can impact the mission that we are engaged in," Panetta said. "It can put your fellow service members at risk. It can hurt morale. It can damage our standing in the world and they can cost lives."

A report issued this week by the Pentagon noted several "significant shocks" in Afghanistan from October to March, including the release of a video of U.S. Marines urinating on corpses, the inadvertent burning of religious materials by U.S. personnel and the alleged killing of 17 civilians by a lone U.S. soldier.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai last month condemned photos of U.S. soldiers posing with bodies of suspected insurgents.

Karzai, who described the images as "inhumane and provocative," said "the only way to put an end to such painful experiences" was to end the presence of foreign forces in Afghanistan."

Panetta tells troops misconduct hurts morale, mission - CNN

I'd really like to see Panetta get his ass out there & lead a patrol against the Taliban & show those nasty GI's just how its done, I'm sure he's an expert.
 
You mean that nasty stuff that heats your home & keeps you from freezing to death? Or keeps you from having to walk miles a day just to get to work or the store or anywhere for that matter. If its so dirty then why dont you Liberals lead by example and bike everywhere you go & put windmills & solar panels on your house & scrap the SUV, the furnace and the Air conditioner. You wont of course which makes the hypocracy of this discussion laughable.

My carbon footprint is less than half the average in the US. If we all used as little oil as I did, we could reach the kind of reductions needed to stop our contribution to climate change, as well as being close to energy independent of foreign oil.
 
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I'd really like to see Panetta get his ass out there & lead a patrol against the Taliban & show those nasty GI's just how its done, I'm sure he's an expert.

"In 1956, he entered Santa Clara University, and in 1960 he graduated magna cum laude with a Bachelor of Arts in Political Science. He also received a Juris Doctor in 1963 from the Santa Clara University School of Law. In 1964, he joined the United States Army as a Second Lieutenant, where he served as an officer in Army Military Intelligence.[8] There he received the Army Commendation Medal, and was discharged in 1966 as a First Lieutenant."

"Leon Edward Panetta (born June 28, 1938) is the 23rd and current United States Secretary of Defense, serving in the administration of President Barack Obama since 2011. Prior to taking office, he served as Director of the Central Intelligence Agency."
Leon Panetta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


How does your expertise stack up to Panetta's?
 
My carbon footprint is less than half the average in the US. If we all used as little oil as I did, we could reach the kind of reductions needed to stop our contribution to climate change, as well as being close to energy independent of foreign oil.

How do you judge your carbon footprint? IF you drive an electric or hybrid, your footprint is higher than the average american...you just don't know it.
 
"In 1956, he entered Santa Clara University, and in 1960 he graduated magna cum laude with a Bachelor of Arts in Political Science. He also received a Juris Doctor in 1963 from the Santa Clara University School of Law. In 1964, he joined the United States Army as a Second Lieutenant, where he served as an officer in Army Military Intelligence.[8] There he received the Army Commendation Medal, and was discharged in 1966 as a First Lieutenant."

"Leon Edward Panetta (born June 28, 1938) is the 23rd and current United States Secretary of Defense, serving in the administration of President Barack Obama since 2011. Prior to taking office, he served as Director of the Central Intelligence Agency."
Leon Panetta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


How does your expertise stack up to Panetta's?


Looks to me like a lawyer that went into the easiest, shortest, and most likely to never see the field for two short years....lol


j-mac
 
How do you judge your carbon footprint? IF you drive an electric or hybrid, your footprint is higher than the average american...you just don't know it.

Due to the passive solar design of my house, it takes half as much energy to heat and cool as the average house, and
"The EPA and California Air Resources Board (CARB) rate the Prius as among the cleanest vehicles sold in the United States based on smog-forming emissions."

Toyota Prius - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Summer I will be also adding 1.5 KW of solar panels to drastically reduce my reliance on grid power.
 
Looks to me like a lawyer that went into the easiest, shortest, and most likely to never see the field for two short years....lol


j-mac

How does your expertise stack up to Panetta's?
 
"In 1956, he entered Santa Clara University, and in 1960 he graduated magna cum laude with a Bachelor of Arts in Political Science. He also received a Juris Doctor in 1963 from the Santa Clara University School of Law. In 1964, he joined the United States Army as a Second Lieutenant, where he served as an officer in Army Military Intelligence.[8] There he received the Army Commendation Medal, and was discharged in 1966 as a First Lieutenant."

"Leon Edward Panetta (born June 28, 1938) is the 23rd and current United States Secretary of Defense, serving in the administration of President Barack Obama since 2011. Prior to taking office, he served as Director of the Central Intelligence Agency."
Leon Panetta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


How does your expertise stack up to Panetta's?

Oooooh, he served 2 years and got an ARCOM. I have served nearly 18 and my bronze star trumps his ARCOM. :lamo
 
Karzai, who described the images as "inhumane and provocative," said "the only way to put an end to such painful experiences" was to end the presence of foreign forces in Afghanistan."

Thats the thing.....Pull out and see what happens to Karzai's government? I'll give him a year. It's certain that the Taliban will crawl in and take over the instant the US pulls out

Just who is Karzai bull****ting?....and frankly I (I would also say 99.99% on these boards) don't give a **** who governs A-stan and I don't think anyone on the AQ side does either. Afghanistan is not even a spec on the map of this war. Nobody gives a **** about it but us.
 
Oooooh, he served 2 years and got an ARCOM. I have served nearly 18 and my bronze star trumps his ARCOM. :lamo

When did you receive your Juris Doctor and when were you the Director of the CIA???? :lamo
 
Thats the thing.....Pull out and see what happens to Karzai's government? I'll give him a year. It's certain that the Taliban will crawl in and take over the instant the US pulls out


That's going to happen whenever we leave.
 
When did you receive your Juris Doctor and when were you the Director of the CIA???? :lamo


My bad, the post you were replying appeared to be asking about military expertise and leading soldiers. Not lawyering and waterboarding terrorists. One would think that the secretary of DEFENSE should have more than two years of military experience.

Silly me for actually expecting you to address the point being made and not some random thought that popped into your head :lamo
 
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That's going to happen whenever we leave.

Perhaps a review of how the Karzaid government came to power in the first place is in order?
 
My bad, the post you were replying appeared to be asking about military expertise and leading soldiers.

Your lack of education helps explain why you do not understand how pissing off the host country's people hurts the mission and endanger's the troops.
 
Perhaps a review of how the Karzaid government came to power in the first place is in order?

He came to power through our regime change there.
 
He came to power through our regime change there.

Knowingly well... that, the Karzai's family is especially corrupt. The corruption extends to some of the contractors working for the US also

Not uncommon to see, the DEA come thru ******* province and burned about 30/40/50 farms with poppies
 
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Knowingly well... that, the Karzai's family is especially corrupt. The corruption extends to some of the contractors working for the US also

Not uncommon to see, the DEA come thru ******* province and burned about 30/40/50 farms with poppies

If Karzai had not been corrupt, we would have had to find someone else willing to do our bidding for money. We know how to pick who we support, don't we?

Ahmed Wali Karzai, the corrupt and lawless face of modern Afghanistan

Pervasive Corruption Rattles Iraq’s Fragile State
 
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If Karzai had not been corrupt, we would have had to find someone else to put in charge willing to do our bidding for money. We know how to pick who we support, don't we?

Ahmed Wali Karzai, the corrupt and lawless face of modern Afghanistan

Pervasive Corruption Rattles Iraq’s Fragile State

I believe its time to talk freely about this issue...

Warfighting 101:

Why the hell are we fighting? The method, purpose, and end state?

We went into A-stan swinging widly with the intent to kill the ****ers who planned and drove trucks and planes into the Towers and Pentagon, then developed this huge worldwide group hug abortion costing us billions designed not to piss off anyone harboring, hiding, aiding, and abetting terrorists.
 
I believe its time to talk freely about this issue...

Warfighting 101:

Why the hell are we fighting? The method, purpose, and end state?

We went into A-stan swinging widly with the intent to kill the ****ers who planned and drove trucks and planes into the Towers and Pentagon, then developed this huge worldwide group hug abortion costing us billions designed not to piss off anyone harboring, hiding, aiding, and abetting terrorists.

Right you are, there was no need for a war, the CIA and Army special forces were more than up to the task of searching out and killing those who planned the 9/11 attack.
 
Right you are, there was no need for a war, the CIA and Army special forces were more than up to the task of searching out and killing those who planned the 9/11 attack.

Points I agree with you....

We kicked the **** out of Al Qaeda and the Taliban fighters in Afghanistan in 2001, and then proceeded to create a multi-billion dollar group hug of the country, trying to implement first-world ideas in a third-world **** fest pool. Instead of propping up numerous provincial governments throughout the country, we setup a national government that never had or will have any chance of success, and is simply sucking America dry for every last cent it can get into the hands of your typical corrupt afghan.

We will continue to kick the living **** out of every single Taliban that wants to wrestle with us, but in the end, we'll pull out and the karzai government will ****ing collapse, and every ANP and ANA we trained (and yes, even those ones that are hard mother****ers), will throw there weapon down and proclaim "Insha'Allah". Cause in the end, it doesn't matter that there actions will cause reactions, in there eye, its simply God's way.

This happened a few days ago and this is what, I'm talking about...

Elite Afghan soldier kills U.S. special forces mentor - Chicago Tribune

KANDAHAR (Reuters) - An elite Afghan soldier shot dead an American mentor and his translator at a U.S. base, Afghan officials said on Friday, in the first rogue shooting blamed on the country's new and closely vetted special forces.

The soldier opened fire at an American military base on Wednesday in Shah Wali Kot district, in volatile Kandahar province, said General Abdul Hamid, the commander of Afghan army forces in the Taliban's southern heartland.

"The shooting took place after a verbal conflict where the Afghan special forces soldier opened fire and killed an American special forces member and his translator," Hamid told Reuters.

At least 18 foreign soldiers have died this year in 11 incidents of so-called green on blue shootings, which are an increasing worry for both NATO and Afghan commanders, eroding trust as Western combat troops look to leave the country in 2014.

The latest shooting will be of grave concern to both sides, at it is the first involving a member of Afghanistan's new special forces, who undergo rigorous vetting as part of their selection into the country's top anti-insurgent force.

NATO's top general in the country, U.S. Marine General John Allen, and Afghan Defence Minister General Abdul Rahim Wardak just this month signed an agreement for Afghan special troops to spearhead controversial night raids on Afghan homes, which are seen as one of the most potent anti-insurgent tactics.

Qari Yousef Ahmadi, a spokesman for the Afghan Taliban, claimed responsibility for the attack in a phone text message sent to journalists, saying the Afghan soldier was "an insurgent infiltrator called Zakerullah."

The claim could not immediately be corroborated, and the Taliban frequently claim responsibility for attacks by disgruntled Afghan soldiers.

Hamid said U.S. soldiers had immediately fired back and killed the gunman, as well as another Afghan special forces soldiers who was caught up in the ensuing crossfire.

Green on blue shootings have severely strained U.S.-Afghan ties as both allies look to lock-in a security agreement to be signed at a NATO meeting in late May, covering a U.S. presence in Afghanistan for a decade beyond the 2014 pullout.
 
Points I agree with you....

We kicked the **** out of Al Qaeda and the Taliban fighters in Afghanistan in 2001, and then proceeded to create a multi-billion dollar group hug of the country, trying to implement first-world ideas in a third-world **** fest pool. Instead of propping up numerous provincial governments throughout the country, we setup a national government that never had or will have any chance of success, and is simply sucking America dry for every last cent it can get into the hands of your typical corrupt afghan.

We will continue to kick the living **** out of every single Taliban that wants to wrestle with us, but in the end, we'll pull out and the karzai government will ****ing collapse, and every ANP and ANA we trained (and yes, even those ones that are hard mother****ers), will throw there weapon down and proclaim "Insha'Allah". Cause in the end, it doesn't matter that there actions will cause reactions, in there eye, its simply God's way.

This happened a few days ago and this is what, I'm talking about...

Elite Afghan soldier kills U.S. special forces mentor - Chicago Tribune

We are in complete agreement there! Bin Laden said the US would be defeated, not on the battlefield but by depleting its financial resources on endless war. The question is, will we allow his prediction to come true, or end the cluster **** know as the Afghanistan war.
 
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We are in complete agreement there! Bin Laden said the US would be defeated, not on the battlefield but by depleting its financial resources on endless war. The question is, will we allow his prediction to come true, or end the cluster **** know as the Afghanistan war.

The Taliban may be willing to fight forever. We are not.

Frankly, I also just dont give a **** anymore. With little to no true political agenda or guidance from their own gov't and the wishy washy attitude towards the people who are trying to help them, their serious lack of wanting to help themselves. I just dont give a rat's ass. I care about those standing in harm's way and pray for them, but that is the extent of my thoughts and emotions for this quagmire
 
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