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Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

mac said:
Who was he appointed by? Who comprised the conference that selected and appointed him?
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We, the leaders of the invading forces.
 
Boo Radley said:
They did not train for the 9/11 attack there. They did that here. Learn to fly and all. So, admit Afghanistan didn't attack us and that you want to make another argument for invading Afghanistan, and we can move on.
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We went through the Taliban in order to get to AQ. They were just in the way.

The President (Bush) said we had declared war on Terrorism and we would also make war on those who aided and supported terrorists or gave them sanctuary. That provided the moral excuse for destroying the Taliban.
 
ric27 said:
...The President (Bush) said we had declared war on Terrorism and we would also make war on those who aided and supported terrorists or gave them sanctuary. That provided the moral excuse for destroying the Taliban.
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if it was really soo moral, we wouldn't have needed an excuse to do it.

right?
 
ric27 said:
We went through the Taliban in order to get to AQ. They were just in the way.

The President (Bush) said we had declared war on Terrorism and we would also make war on those who aided and supported terrorists or gave them sanctuary. That provided the moral excuse for destroying the Taliban.
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What exactly did that mean? How do you declare war on a strategy of war?
 
Dittohead not! said:
What exactly did that mean? How do you declare war on a strategy of war?
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First, lets get this out of the way...

Neither A-stan nor the Taliban attacked us on 9-11.
 
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:shrug: sure, and the Japanese Army didn't attack us at Pearl Harbor, either.

Anyone who thinks that Al-Qaeda and the Taliban were divisible entities at that point doesn't understand Pashtunwali, or the recent history of those two groups.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Anyone want to refute that one? Anyone, anyone????
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Now, everyone is on the same page :)

What mistakes do you want to hear about on A-stan?

As a practical matter, though we don't want to be, and shouldn't be in the business of "nation building", fighting terrorism and destroying national governments in the process requires it or face the probability that it will be worse afterwards. Bomb and kick the **** out of them then leave them to recover and sort themselves out?
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ric27 said:
Now, everyone is on the same page :)

What mistakes do you want to hear about on A-stan?

As a practical matter, though we don't want to be, and shouldn't be in the business of "nation building", fighting terrorism and destroying national governments in the process requires it or face the probability that it will be worse afterwards. Bomb and kick the **** out of them then leave them to recover and sort themselves out?
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Sure, but only bomb them and kick the *** out of them if they pose an immediate threat, or if they have already attacked us.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Sure, but only bomb them and kick the *** out of them if they pose an immediate threat, or if they have already attacked us.
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Agreed

We need friendly countries, we don't need pissant "allies" that we need to prop up, help with security, etc. Especially with Muslim countries, we shouldn't be in the business of nation building. Their culture is too foreign. Not that we can't understand it, its just that it is foreign to our way of doing things and unless you are willing to destroy that culture and rebuild it in our image, trying to graft on our way of doing things just hasn't been proven to work.
 
To Reverend and ric: I totally understand that you couldn't take my second hand storytelling over what others may tell you or what you believe. When I related my stories to the subject of posing with dead Afghans, I was simply saying that in comparison that isn't much.
 
Boo Radley said:
Don't you know?


After the 7 October 2001 launch of Operation Enduring Freedom, the United Front (Northern Alliance) worked with teams of U.S. special forces. Together, they overthrew the Taliban regime and mustered support for a new government in Afghanistan. Karzai and his group were in Quetta (Pakistan) at the time, where they began their covert operation

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In December 2001, political leaders gathered in Germany to agree on new leadership structures. Under the 5 December Bonn Agreement they formed an Interim Administration and named Karzai Chairman of a 29-member governing committee. He was sworn in as leader on 22 December.

Hamid Karzai - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Hmm, who were the political leaders that met in Bonn and were signatories to the agreement?
 
Catawba said:
We, the leaders of the invading forces.
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No, I'm afraid not.

AGREEMENT ON PROVISIONAL ARRANGEMENTS IN AFGHANISTAN

For the participants in the UN Talks on Afghanistan:

Ms. Amena Afzali

Mr. S. Hussain Anwari

Mr. Hedayat Amin Arsala

Mr. Sayed Hamed Gailani

Mr. Rahmatullah Mousa Ghazi

Eng. Abdul Hakim

Mr. Houmayoun Jareer

Mr. Abbas Karimi

Mr. Mustafa Kazimi

Dr. Azizullah Ludin

Mr. Ahmad Wali Massoud

Mr. Hafizullah Asif Mohseni

Prof. Mohammad Ishaq Nadiri

Mr. Mohammad Natiqi

Mr. Aref Noorzay

Mr. Yunus Qanooni

Dr. Zalmai Rassoul

Mr. H. Mirwais Sadeq

Dr. Mohammad Jalil Shams

Prof. Abdul Sattar Sirat

Mr. Humayun Tandar

Mrs. Sima Wali

General Abdul Rahim Wardak

Mr. Azizullah Wasefi

Mr. Pacha Khan Zadran


Witnessed for the United Nations by:

Mr. Lakhdar Brahimi
Special Representative of the Secretary-General for Afghanistan
 
Dittohead not! said:
I know that he was neither Afgani, Iraqi, nor Taliban.
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And? He was a prominent figure in Afghanistan dating back to the Soviet occupation. His birth place is irrelevant. As far as not being Taliban, his ALQ provide thousands of troops that enabled the establishment of the Taliban.
 
How does this tie in with Americans committing war crimes on camera? Again!
 
I don't believe in hell, but I do believe in the rule of law. The US Field Manual (1956) provides that “maltreatment of dead bodies” is a war crime
 
Manc Skipper said:
I don't believe in hell, but I do believe in the rule of law. The US Field Manual (1956) provides that “maltreatment of dead bodies” is a war crime
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Oh sk it's not a "war crime" as you hysterically claimed. It's in an old field manual you found at a garage sale. Noted.


Can youpost tthe exact text. I'd like to see where it says having your picture take. With a se weed elbow makes you a war criminal. :roll:
 
The US Instructor’s Guide (1985) states: “In addition to the grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions, the following acts are further examples of war crimes: … mutilating or mistreating dead bodies”.
 
Manc Skipper said:
The US Instructor’s Guide (1985) states: “In addition to the grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions, the following acts are further examples of war crimes: … mutilating or mistreating dead bodies"
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Why are you so desparate to call us war criminals?


What is a "US instructors guide"?

Can you provide a link to this "instructors guide"?

Thanks


Oh wait, you got it here:

http://www.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docs/v2_cou_us_rule113


Hmm i can see bayonetting, but picture taking? Wow, imagine if you held the taliban to the same standard, you wiuld be the loudest chicken hawk of them all! :roll:
 
ric27 said:
We went through the Taliban in order to get to AQ. They were just in the way.

The President (Bush) said we had declared war on Terrorism and we would also make war on those who aided and supported terrorists or gave them sanctuary. That provided the moral excuse for destroying the Taliban.
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I don't think we did that. They were largely in Pakistan, the place where found OBL.

But the fact remains, AQ functions even within the borders of our allies. being in Afghanistan has not deterred that to any serious degree. it is quite expensive to invade and nation build compared to the possible results.

As DHN points out, declaring war on a strategy is not the most logical or effective way to approach the situation. Nor is it logical to invade countries when the enemy is really a group that has no link to any country, but can be found in nearly every country.
 
The US Naval Handbook (1995) provides that “mutilation and other mistreatment of the dead” are representative war crimes
 
Manc Skipper said:
The US Naval Handbook (1995) provides that “mutilation and other mistreatment of the dead” are representative war crimes
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Please show "taking pictures with"... Thanks... "other mistreatment" is ambiguous, so much so, the timid, like to suggest a stern look at a savage taliban would be a war crime....
 
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