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Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

ric27 said:
...Take out the uniforms, the German language and the genocide (for now) and you get the American left. Control of industry, schools, indoctrination of the youth, class warfare, confiscation of the property of the targeted class, etc. And do it all for the people.
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bigotry, homophobia, supporting big corporations, nationalism...these are all the politics of the RIGHT.....not the Left.

nevermind the fact that the Nazis murdered thousands and thousands of Socialists, Communists, Social-Democrats, and other leftists.

Nazism is left-wing huh? bull**** and you know it.
 
Mickey Shane said:
I don't understand the taking of souvenir war pictures, unless it's just to show them to other guys involved in the war. Once they get state side, they don't have any value.
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Well, the pictures we are talking about now certainly have value to those that love to bash soldiers.
 
I'll say this:

A friend of mine is a former Marine Sergeant who served in Kandahar and Helmand/Lashkar Gah back in 2008. We discussed this incident, and what he said ran something along these lines. (My Marine friend leans "very liberal" by the way, so partisan politics doesn't play into this). He said that when you're under the daily stress of combat, when you see your brothers killed, your friends maimed, and body parts flying everywhere, one essentially experiences a paradigm shift. What's moral or immoral? What's normal or abnormal? All of these things are shifted and become relative based on one's own experiences. When you experience the horror of war in that fashion, posing with some dead bodies seems relatively innocent in comparison. Not that such behavior is ever excusable or should be condoned, but frankly I'm a bit sick of the whole "sicko soldiers/baby killers" mantra.
 
mac said:
Well, the pictures we are talking about now certainly have value to those that love to bash soldiers.
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Odd, you look at it this way and not at how poorly those who takes these pictures reflect badly on soldiers. Must be that poor national esteem surfacing again.

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StillBallin75 said:
I'll say this:

A friend of mine is a former Marine Sergeant who served in Kandahar and Helmand/Lashkar Gah back in 2008. We discussed this incident, and what he said ran something along these lines. (My Marine friend leans "very liberal" by the way, so partisan politics doesn't play into this). He said that when you're under the daily stress of combat, when you see your brothers killed, your friends maimed, and body parts flying everywhere, one essentially experiences a paradigm shift. What's moral or immoral? What's normal or abnormal? All of these things are shifted and become relative based on one's own experiences. When you experience the horror of war in that fashion, posing with some dead bodies seems relatively innocent in comparison. Not that such behavior is ever excusable or should be condoned, but frankly I'm a bit sick of the whole "sicko soldiers/baby killers" mantra.
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And he is correct. I will say this though. Dealing with the effects of war is not easy, but often clear rules of behavior help. Not a cure all, but one of many avenues that can help soldiers not only while there, but in coming back home.

So, I don't see them as sicko, or baby killers, but as people who will have to one day reconcile their actions with there humanity. We do them no favors by excusing it. A first Sargent I had once talked to me a good while about the role of punishment, and that sometimes punishment is for the benefit of the soldier, and not everyone else. he was a hard ass, even insisting on being punished himself. But I believe he was correct. We need to be reminded from time to time as to who we are.
 
justabubba said:
where are their photos?
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:shrug: walk into any internet cafe in the middle east. Selling "kill-porn" movies of compilations of dead and dying Americans and other infidels is just good business for the Jihad. I've watched the productions of hits on personal friends; found them being produced in houses I've searched. They are usually set to some music, with men singing in the background and the flag of the insert-your-personal-faction-here in the top left corner.
 
Thunder said:
when we lose the moral highground, we lose the war.
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fortunately we aren't running around with a policy of throwing acid in little girls faces for the crime of wanting to learn to read, so it turns out your appeal to moral equivalency is bull****. As, by the way, is your apparent understanding of counterinsurgency. :)
 
cpwill said:
fortunately we aren't running around with a policy of throwing acid in little girls faces for the crime of wanting to learn to read, so it turns out your appeal to moral equivalency is bull****. As, by the way, is your apparent understanding of counterinsurgency. :)
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Well, I'm not sure we should aim for the lesser of two evils.
 
Thunder said:
bigotry, homophobia, supporting big corporations, nationalism...these are all the politics of the RIGHT.....not the Left.
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I really laugh when the left calls *the right* "fascists" and "Nazis". Nazi is short for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, or National Socialist Workers Party. Socialist.

Fascism was coined by Benito Mussolini and was derived from the Italian word fascio, which means bundle or union. Socialism.

If you tell a lie long enough, people will believe it.


nevermind the fact that the Nazis murdered thousands and thousands of Socialists, Communists, Social-Democrats, and other leftists.

Nazism is left-wing huh? bull**** and you know it.
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The NAZIs got much of their start in the US. The Swastika symbol predates Hitler and was in use by the American Socialist party well before 1933. It was one S laid atop another, standing for two socialists working together.

With regards to the genocide angle, Margaret Sanger was a leader in the American Eugenics movement. Hitler was also a believer in eugenics and sought to purify the "Aryan" race by eliminating all that he considered to be defective. Sanger created Planned Parenthood with a stated goal of eliminating undesirable minorities by abortion and sterilization.

Thunder - Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

Make an effort to educate yourself.
 
washunut said:
I remember a trial, not any pictures.
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Then these will be new to you:

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What we didn't have at the time was the capability of putting videos on the internet and sharing them with the world in a matter of minutes.
 
StillBallin75 said:
I'll say this:

A friend of mine is a former Marine Sergeant who served in Kandahar and Helmand/Lashkar Gah back in 2008. We discussed this incident, and what he said ran something along these lines. (My Marine friend leans "very liberal" by the way, so partisan politics doesn't play into this). He said that when you're under the daily stress of combat, when you see your brothers killed, your friends maimed, and body parts flying everywhere, one essentially experiences a paradigm shift. What's moral or immoral? What's normal or abnormal? All of these things are shifted and become relative based on one's own experiences. When you experience the horror of war in that fashion, posing with some dead bodies seems relatively innocent in comparison. Not that such behavior is ever excusable or should be condoned, but frankly I'm a bit sick of the whole "sicko soldiers/baby killers" mantra.
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SB, that's almost exactly what my brother-in-law told me.
 
ric27 said:
I really laugh when the left calls *the right* "fascists" and "Nazis". Nazi is short for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, or National Socialist Workers Party. Socialist.

Fascism was coined by Benito Mussolini and was derived from the Italian word fascio, which means bundle or union. Socialism.....
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#1. the swastika is a symbol that was used by the Romans, Greeks, Hindus, Buddhists, even by Jews. It doesn't symbolize Socialism in any way.

#2. The USA is also a union. Does that make us Socialist?

#3. The Nazis murdered tens of thousands of Communists, Socialists, Unionists, Social-Democrats, and other leftists. They hated Bolshevism and saw it as Jewish.

Your very silly claim, that Nazism=Socialism, is a tired & failed one.
 
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cpwill said:
fortunately we aren't running around with a policy of throwing acid in little girls faces for the crime of wanting to learn to read, so it turns out your appeal to moral equivalency is bull****.....
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as is your failed mischaracterization of my view on this matter.

funny how that works huh?
 
Boo Radley said:
Odd, you look at it this way and not at how poorly those who takes these pictures reflect badly on soldiers. Must be that poor national esteem surfacing again.

:coffeepap
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I never said it didn't reflect poorly on soldiers, it does. What I did say was that it is not a crime warranting the type of punishment the anti-soldiers are screaming for.
 
mac said:
I never said it didn't reflect poorly on soldiers, it does. What I did say was that it is not a crime warranting the type of punishment the anti-soldiers are screaming for.
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I don't know what they are screaming for, or even who "they" are. What do you think would be appropriate?
 
Boo Radley said:
I don't know what they are screaming for, or even who "they" are. What do you think would be appropriate?
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Reduction in grade, 45/45 at most.

They are folks like Catawba calling for dishonorable discharges.
 
Thunder said:
when we lose the moral highground, we lose the war.
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You never have the moral highground with a people that think you are infidels and should be dead from the beginning. Every incident after that is just icing on the cake for them. We lose the war when American servicemembers are told to fight a war but not really fight it to the best of their ability. We are doing the equivalent of going into a mosh pit with the lights off and being told not to hit a certain kind of person while we're in it. Unrealistic and impossible standards placed on the backs of 19-23 year old men by 40-50 year old men who've never fought a day in their life like they have. I really have a hate and disdain for the Afghan war. Especially having participated in it and coming away with the sour taste that is swallowing my pride and watching a rag tag bunch of ideologues run circles around us because they figured out our rules of engagement years ago.
 
mac said:
Reduction in grade, 45/45 at most.

They are folks like Catawba calling for dishonorable discharges.
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Your punishment works for me. Over reacting is no better than under reacting.
 
mac said:
Reduction in grade, 45/45 at most.

They are folks like Catawba calling for dishonorable discharges.
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well like i said before,had this incident been kept military only,a 45/45 would have been the top punishment.but right now all this is public,and you have to wonder whos going to take the fall,the soldiers or the brass,and i can guarantee you its going to be the soldiers getting max punishment so the brass can say problem solved nothing to see here.
 
MarineTpartier said:
You never have the moral highground with a people that think you are infidels and should be dead from the beginning. Every incident after that is just icing on the cake for them. We lose the war when American servicemembers are told to fight a war but not really fight it to the best of their ability.....
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taking smiley photos next to the mangled corpses of dead enemies, has nothing to do with fighting a war.

its about a sick mind getting pleasure from a sick joke.
 
Boo Radley said:
Well, I'm not sure we should aim for the lesser of two evils.
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....since there is no other option, you think if we're going to be less than perfect, we might as well be the Baddest Mo Fo On the Planet?


well, that's a very American response, so I can't fault you on style... but I'm thinking maybe there are some "greatest in human history" slots we should leave to liberal atheists, like Mao :)
 
Frankly I could give a rat's arse if they come home with a necklace of ears and a backpack full of scalps.


"Killed lots of enemies did you? Good job soldier; well done. Hang those up over the fireplace and enjoy your time Stateside."


The ONLY reason I think the pics are bad is from a PR standpoint.
 
Thunder said:
taking smiley photos next to the mangled corpses of dead enemies, has nothing to do with fighting a war.
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indirectly. having the kind of aggressive/dark-humor approach to death that allows you to take pictures with dead people, play with enemy body parts, laugh at a puppy getting thrown off a cliff, or do the Captain-Jack-Morgan stance while pissing on a slain foe has everything to do with keeping a unit of young males capable of continuing to operate in a combat environment.

Again.

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those shocked - just shocked - in this thread are like a tourist in mexico trying to "blend in" with the locals by speaking loudly and putting an "-O" on the end of every word-o, just-o, like-o, espanolo. He thinks he knows what he's talking about, but it is instantly obvious to every native that he is utterly clueless.

its about a sick mind getting pleasure from a sick joke.
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yes. we call those minds human beings who are in combat.
 
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