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Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

j-mac said:
Those soldiers will face their responsibility through the strict standards of the UCMJ. That is not the LAtimes place.

j-mac
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Yes. Agreed. But, they don't do this, it can't be reported. While blame for anything is often shared, why skip the source to complain about the consequences?
 
Removable Mind said:
Winston, the difference is that he didn't have about 3 billion people on the Internet ragging on his ass for doing it.
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Brady became very famous and wealthy off these images. Newspapers and people bought them like crazy.
 
muciti said:
I can agree with the fact that the LA Times probably shouldn't have published the pics. But the larger issue is that the pics were taken.

Sounds like you agree that the soldiers who took the pics were jackasses. Good to hear.
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One of the units I was in when in the military was the 101st. I took my duties seriously. But there are all kinds in the military, and from all socio backgrounds. I was lucky enough to serve in peacetime, so I never was in a position to know what it is like to serve repeated tours, in different countries. The actions of soldiers span the range of everything from proper, to idiotic. Much like those soldiers at Abu Grieb [sic] nothing good comes of pictures.

j-mac
 
Boo Radley said:
Yes. Agreed. But, they don't do this, it can't be reported. While blame for anything is often shared, why skip the source to complain about the consequences?
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Who said they couldn't report on it? A story of the incident would have been just fine, pictures? Nah, that was put out there to sell papers at the expense of whether or not it ends up being responsible for additional deaths of the papers own fellow countrymen in harms way. I think that is what is disgusting.

j-mac
 
muciti said:
If they are held accountable then I will be happy.

What I think is being argued is some people are claiming these guys did no wrong.
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I don't think anyone has said they did no wrong. The disobeyed a standing order, then did wrong and they should be punished for it. Accordingly.
 
j-mac said:
One of the units I was in when in the military was the 101st. I took my duties seriously. But there are all kinds in the military, and from all socio backgrounds. I was lucky enough to serve in peacetime, so I never was in a position to know what it is like to serve repeated tours, in different countries. The actions of soldiers span the range of everything from proper, to idiotic. Much like those soldiers at Abu Grieb [sic] nothing good comes of pictures.

j-mac
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I don't know. Pictures played a role in finally putting an end to the war in Vietnam. Maybe if the people back home get to see what is really happening, we'll have less of an appetite for war. Maybe we'll eventually quit having wars at all. That won't happen in my lifetime, most likely, but perhaps one day we'll really get beyond the need to go off and kill people.
 
Dittohead not! said:
I don't know. Pictures played a role in finally putting an end to the war in Vietnam.
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Nah, that was propaganda did that.

Maybe if the people back home get to see what is really happening, we'll have less of an appetite for war.
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Yeah, who cares who's son or daughter it ends up killing in the mean time. After all, just serving indicts, right?

Maybe we'll eventually quit having wars at all. That won't happen in my lifetime, most likely, but perhaps one day we'll really get beyond the need to go off and kill people.
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Pipe dream, that isn't accomplished by turning against your own sons and daughters serving. But that doesn't mean, others won't come to kill us, I guess we just can't respond, right?


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Nah, that was propaganda did that.



Yeah, who cares who's son or daughter it ends up killing in the mean time. After all, just serving indicts, right?



Pipe dream, that isn't accomplished by turning against your own sons and daughters serving. But that doesn't mean, others won't come to kill us, I guess we just can't respond, right?


j-mac
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Propaganda got us into the Big Muddy in Vietnam in the first place. Remember the Gulf of Tonkein resolution? Once the folks back home saw pictures of villages being bombed with napalm, many people lost their stomach for the war.

Losing our appetite for war and not starting them isn't going to send our sons and daughters off to kill or be killed. Starting wars does that. When they come after us, then we'll defend ourselves. Being the aggressor is not the role of a democracy.
 
muciti said:
No you cannot piss on the dead. WTF is wrong with you? That is disgusting. Death is going to happen in war. But you leave the bodies or bury the dead. You do not mock their dead bodies. You do not pose them. You do not piss on them. You do not have sex with them. You do not sell their body parts on ebay. Once you have killed an enemy combatant it ends there.
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Why not? It's funny that all you liberals just make claims without backing them up at all. What you really mean is that you are personally offended by something, therefore you pretend that it must be true.

It ain't necessarily so. You're welcome to be offended if you want to be, but to tell everyone that your offense makes it objectively wrong is ridiculous. But that's where political correctness came from, isn't it? It bugs one person, therefore nobody can do it.
 
muciti said:
It was distasteful, disrespectful and an embarrassment to the United States military.
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Hmmm.....There is absolutely nothing wrong with collective national vengeance when attacked by cowards and there is certainly nothing wrong with seeking justice for 3k of our murdered citizens..post 9/11
 
lunchbox said:
I think it's time to bring the troops home.
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Barrack? You here? Hey everybody! The one term Marxist flexible president Barrack Hussein Obama has joined us. Do we bow to him or does he bow to us?
 
winston53660 said:
Brady became very famous and wealthy off these images. Newspapers and people bought them like crazy.
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This expression of false moral outrage against this stuff are the same ones that wanted the pictures of OBL dead in his house. They sure as **** wouldn't have any problem seeing those pics if they got their hands on them *via la intrawebz*, and that would be no different than posing next to the body itself.
 
Boo Radley said:
I just find it odd that you seem to blame everyone but the people who do this. Where is that famed personal responsibility?
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Blame, the suicide bombers and terrorists who were bent on maiming and killing as many as they could, with no regards to who it was they killed.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Nothing other than violating their regulations, desecrating the enemy, providing the enemy with more reason to carry on with the insurgency, disgracing their own uniform...
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Wait! You mean if we honored their dead, self-mangled bodies, they would stop fighting? Why hasn't anyone in authority thought of that?
 
Thunder said:
I never said ALL Philipinos were Hispanic, now did I?
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You are one slippery SOB. Yep you got me there Thunder. You never said they all were. Darned convenient. You are not Bill Clinton are you? He was a government worker. You are a government worker. He was a liberal. You are a liberal. He was the first black American president. You are not? Darn it falls apart near the end. :)
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Yeah, I remember that same rhetoric from 2001. Not only do you not understand the deployment of enemy forces, you don't understand the concept of "war crimes".

But hey, again....you got to go totally off context and used it to once again display your messed up rhetoric. You probably consider that a good job.
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War crimes...lmao

Your "moral compass" line is bull****, warfare is simply murder writ large and I'm all OK with that.

Dehumanizing your enemy is a tactic older than uniformed armies.

Get ****ing real
 
Thunder said:
no clarrification is necessary. I am troubled by you stance on this issue.

its pretty clear.
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Its back to the kitchen

Continue to bake cookies
 
muciti said:
Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans - CBS News


U.S. troops posed with body parts of Afghan bombers - latimes.com

All of these guys who are doing this are a disgrace to the United States and the military.
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Uh, I have to jump in here and say that; this kind of thing has been going on since photography was invented. There are two problems with it: people get crazy in war and do crazy, sometimes absolutely insane things under such stress, and two; the internet.

Bad taste? Yep. Crazy and inhumane? you bet. But a "trophy conciousness" can invade the mind during times like that: I say, burn the pictures, repremand, and get on with it: find something we';re trying to do over there or bring everybody back and forget it.
 
ric27 said:
Blame, the suicide bombers and terrorists who were bent on maiming and killing as many as they could, with no regards to who it was they killed.
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Gimmesometruth said:
First off, you would be hard pressed to prove such a claim since records like that do not exist, and I would venture that every war has a certain percentage that engages in that level of conduct. The article shows that discipline at that post was poor, it is leadership that allows that activity to bloom.
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the poor discipline came in when they weren't made to delete their pictures. agreed.

however, we actually have some pretty good records, not the least bit living ones. Interview some Marine Corps vets from WWII and ask them how much compassion they showed the Japanese, and visa versa.

Our troops didn't "descend" to this level. We have finally managed to civilize as a human species to where this is considered shocking. As opposed, you know, to all the stuff that has gone on in every OTHER war that humanity has fought. Go take a look at WWII and come back and tell me that snapping a photograph is some kind of descent into bestiality :roll:

I'm sorry....when did you show some understanding of what I was talking about?
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:) Tell me about your combat deployments with the infantry in the past decade. I'm all ears.
 
cpwill said:
the poor discipline came in when they weren't made to delete their pictures. agreed.

however, we actually have some pretty good records, not the least bit living ones. Interview some Marine Corps vets from WWII and ask them how much compassion they showed the Japanese, and visa versa.

Our troops didn't "descend" to this level. We have finally managed to civilize as a human species to where this is considered shocking. As opposed, you know, to all the stuff that has gone on in every OTHER war that humanity has fought. Go take a look at WWII and come back and tell me that snapping a photograph is some kind of descent into bestiality :roll:



:) Tell me about your combat deployments with the infantry in the past decade. I'm all ears.
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War has no bars. The only thing these guys are guilty of is a crappy ass photograph.
 
:shrug: well I'm not really a photographer, so I'm not set up to comment much on pictorial quality...
 
cpwill said:
:shrug: well I'm not really a photographer, so I'm not set up to comment much on pictorial quality...
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I'm not talking about aesthetics. They took a stupid ass photograph as many soldiers have done through out history. And why the LA Times gave it the time of day I dunna know. Yellow journalism rules the day.



Rosebud.
 
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