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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    You missed this....
    No I didn't. I simply chose not to respond to a silly question.

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    that's a dishonest strawman and you know it.

    mistreatment of the dead, clearly would include using dead bodies of the enemy for photographs where one poses & smiles.

    at least, that's what a logical & intelligent interpretation would say.
    You need to be shown how these assholes savage and suppress their own people in the name of islam and jihad.

    They all paint themselves as the victims, every single one of them, They are true believers of their own hype. They cannot be reasoned with, persuaded or turned. No one can convince them they are wrong.

    Reason why, there is no excuse for a live terrorist

    Islamic extremists will always find an excuse to rationalize their behavior. Efforts to treat these savages better will not stop the violence. It will only change the excuses the enemy uses to attack us.

    That is a brutal fact you seem to fail to understand.

    Stop your whining and harden, the **** up

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    No I didn't. I simply chose not to respond to a silly question.

    how was it silly, asking what you think the punishment should be would show the forum how much of a war crime you think this is.... Why do I bother. Nevermind.
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Maybe KP for a week?

    Is the problem having posed with body parts, or is it having photographed the incident?
    Poor judgment. That's the problem. The world we live in today almost assures someone you don't want seeing this will see it.

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    "For years the US army has been talking about winning hearts and minds in Afghanistan but it appears to be fighting a losing battle.

    On March 11, one US soldier went on a shooting rampage claiming the lives of 16 Afghan civilians – nine of them children. It was just the latest in a series of PR disasters for the coalition. Last month a group of US soldiers caused outrage in the country when they accidentally – or so they say - burnt the Holy Quran. Before that, video surfaced of coalition snipers urinating on the dead bodies of alleged Taliban fighters.

    While the Obama administration shifted back into damage control mode, the story was also picked up by the now vibrant Afghani media landscape whose various media outlets, including the Taliban's media machine, all had a different tale to tell."

    See video at link below:

    Afghanistan's propaganda war - Listening Post - Al Jazeera English
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    I don't believe in hell, but I do believe in the rule of law. The US Field Manual (1956) provides that “maltreatment of dead bodies” is a war crime

    The US field manual (1956)?

    Really.
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Who really allowed Karzai to take power? It was our invasion/occupation.

    "Karzai's ties with UNOCAL and the Bush administration are the main reason why the CIA pushed him for Afghan leader over rival Abdul Haq, the assassinated former mujaheddin leader from Jalalabad, and the leadership of the Northern Alliance, seen by Langley as being too close to the Russians and Iranians. Haq had no apparent close ties to the U.S. oil industry and, as both a Pushtun and a northern Afghani, was popular with a wide cross-section of the Afghan people, including the Northern Alliance. Those credentials likely sealed his fate."

    "During the late 1990s, Karzai worked with an Afghani-American, Zalmay Khalilzad, on the CentGas project. Khalilzad is President Bush's Special National Security Assistant and recently named presidential Special Envoy for Afghanistan. Interestingly, in the White House press release naming Khalilzad special envoy, no mention was made of his past work for UNOCAL. Khalilzad has worked on Afghan issues under National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, a former member of the board of Chevron, itself no innocent bystander in the future CentGas deal. Rice made an impression on her old colleagues at Chevron. The company has named one of their supertankers the SS Condoleezza Rice."

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    Afghan tribal leaders and other Afghan elder's picked him...not Americans, not NATO, not the UN, not the Bildergurg group. His past relationship with America or anyone else is irrelevant.
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    The US field manual (1956)?

    Really.
    you think our much more modern military, no longer considers the mistreatment of the dead to be a violation?

    interesting..

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Afghan tribal leaders and other Afghan elder's picked him...not Americans, not NATO, not the UN, not the Bildergurg group. His past relationship with America or anyone else is irrelevant.
    You don't have to convince me, you have to convince the Afghans after he is no longer under protection of an occupation by the most powerful military on the planet.
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "For years the US army has been talking about winning hearts and minds in Afghanistan but it appears to be fighting a losing battle.

    On March 11, one US soldier went on a shooting rampage claiming the lives of 16 Afghan civilians – nine of them children. It was just the latest in a series of PR disasters for the coalition. Last month a group of US soldiers caused outrage in the country when they accidentally – or so they say - burnt the Holy Quran. Before that, video surfaced of coalition snipers urinating on the dead bodies of alleged Taliban fighters.

    While the Obama administration shifted back into damage control mode, the story was also picked up by the now vibrant Afghani media landscape whose various media outlets, including the Taliban's media machine, all had a different tale to tell."

    See video at link below:

    Afghanistan's propaganda war - Listening Post - Al Jazeera English
    It goes deeper much deeper. A case of....wear out one's welcome

    The Army was bullheadedly shaped to fight a war not in keeping with the most likely employment needs. In both Vietnam and A-stan/Iraq we were pushed hard by past generalship into a extremely* tank-heavy force structure* in spite of plentiful evidence that we would more likely need more mobile *light fighter*, less armored forces for the MOST likely employment in the future. Having forced ourselves into this structure - and having taken a very bad lesson from Vietnam against Army involvement in nation building over and over, ignoring the historical precident indicating that while we may not WISH to do it, we are the ONLY one's in our governmental structure who has or can - we ended up unable to effectively fight the insurgency wars we were sent into.

    What we need to do in the future....is to get in and get the **** out as quickly as possible.....NO ****ing nation building

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