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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Please show "taking pictures with"... Thanks... "other mistreatment" is ambiguous, so much so, the timid, like to suggest a stern look at a savage taliban would be a war crime....
    The point is, had they not taken pictures, no one would have known. Moreover, whenever there is a war, this sort of thing happens. In order to fight a war, the enemy must be dehumanized, which is why there is always an unofficial name for them that implies that they are less than human.

    such is the nature of war. We shouldn't dump on the soldiers.

    and posing with body parts is pretty mild compared to some of the things that go on in any war. The only thing different now is the ease at which we can take video and share it with the world.
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Please show "taking pictures with"... Thanks... "other mistreatment" is ambiguous, so much so, the timid, like to suggest a stern look at a savage taliban would be a war crime....
    that's a dishonest strawman and you know it.

    mistreatment of the dead, clearly would include using dead bodies of the enemy for photographs where one poses & smiles.

    at least, that's what a logical & intelligent interpretation would say.

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The point is, had they not taken pictures, no one would have known. Moreover, whenever there is a war, this sort of thing happens. In order to fight a war, the enemy must be dehumanized, which is why there is always an unofficial name for them that implies that they are less than human.

    such is the nature of war. We shouldn't dump on the soldiers.

    and posing with body parts is pretty mild compared to some of the things that go on in any war. The only thing different now is the ease at which we can take video and share it with the world.

    I remember being in Kuwait in 91. I avoided all cameras, from cnn to guys in my unit. I dunno, I just thought it was always a bad idea.
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    that's a dishonest strawman and you know it.

    mistreatment of the dead, clearly would include using dead bodies of the enemy for photographs where one poses & smiles.

    at least, that's what a logical & intelligent interpretation would say.


    nonsense. by that idiotic logic you could say a stern look that made a taliban savage feel intimidated was a war crime. You could say that not giving each dead taliban savage a proper muslim burial would be a war crime.

    so tell me, What would you have done to these soldiers for the "war crime" of taking pictures with body parts? dishonorable discharge? Jail? how bad do you want to **** some kids life up, some kid who signed where you would never dare tread, ho bad do you want to see his life ****ed up for taking pictures of some dead savages severed elbow?
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    The simple fact is what these soldiers did was wrong (according to the military). NJP should be given at the company level and then move on. The soldiers shouldn't be discharged and the soldiers shouldn't be jailed.

    Soldiers do dumb things sometimes, this happened in 2010, training has since then been implemented to curb this sort of thing.

    Personally, when I was in Korea in 2001, A soldier stationed in Japan that raped and killed an underage girl got less exposure than this. That's pretty sad right there.
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    No, I'm afraid not.

    AGREEMENT ON PROVISIONAL ARRANGEMENTS IN AFGHANISTAN

    For the participants in the UN Talks on Afghanistan:

    Ms. Amena Afzali

    Mr. S. Hussain Anwari

    Mr. Hedayat Amin Arsala

    Mr. Sayed Hamed Gailani

    Mr. Rahmatullah Mousa Ghazi

    Eng. Abdul Hakim

    Mr. Houmayoun Jareer

    Mr. Abbas Karimi

    Mr. Mustafa Kazimi

    Dr. Azizullah Ludin

    Mr. Ahmad Wali Massoud

    Mr. Hafizullah Asif Mohseni

    Prof. Mohammad Ishaq Nadiri

    Mr. Mohammad Natiqi

    Mr. Aref Noorzay

    Mr. Yunus Qanooni

    Dr. Zalmai Rassoul

    Mr. H. Mirwais Sadeq

    Dr. Mohammad Jalil Shams

    Prof. Abdul Sattar Sirat

    Mr. Humayun Tandar

    Mrs. Sima Wali

    General Abdul Rahim Wardak

    Mr. Azizullah Wasefi

    Mr. Pacha Khan Zadran


    Witnessed for the United Nations by:

    Mr. Lakhdar Brahimi
    Special Representative of the Secretary-General for Afghanistan


    Who really allowed Karzai to take power? It was our invasion/occupation.

    "Karzai's ties with UNOCAL and the Bush administration are the main reason why the CIA pushed him for Afghan leader over rival Abdul Haq, the assassinated former mujaheddin leader from Jalalabad, and the leadership of the Northern Alliance, seen by Langley as being too close to the Russians and Iranians. Haq had no apparent close ties to the U.S. oil industry and, as both a Pushtun and a northern Afghani, was popular with a wide cross-section of the Afghan people, including the Northern Alliance. Those credentials likely sealed his fate."

    "During the late 1990s, Karzai worked with an Afghani-American, Zalmay Khalilzad, on the CentGas project. Khalilzad is President Bush's Special National Security Assistant and recently named presidential Special Envoy for Afghanistan. Interestingly, in the White House press release naming Khalilzad special envoy, no mention was made of his past work for UNOCAL. Khalilzad has worked on Afghan issues under National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, a former member of the board of Chevron, itself no innocent bystander in the future CentGas deal. Rice made an impression on her old colleagues at Chevron. The company has named one of their supertankers the SS Condoleezza Rice."

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    nonsense. by that idiotic logic you could say a stern look that made a taliban savage feel intimidated was a war crime....
    idiotic analogy.

    there is no military rule against dirty looks towards the enemy.

    but there is a rule against mistreatment of the dead.

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    idiotic analogy.

    there is no military rule against dirty looks towards the enemy.

    but there is a rule against mistreatment of the dead.


    You missed this:

    "so tell me, What would you have done to these soldiers for the "war crime" of taking pictures with body parts? dishonorable discharge? Jail? how bad do you want to **** some kids life up, some kid who signed where you would never dare tread, ho bad do you want to see his life ****ed up for taking pictures of some dead savages severed elbow?"




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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    You missed this:

    "so tell me, What would you have done to these soldiers for the "war crime" of taking pictures with body parts? dishonorable discharge? Jail? how bad do you want to **** some kids life up, some kid who signed where you would never dare tread, ho bad do you want to see his life ****ed up for taking pictures of some dead savages severed elbow?"




    Maybe KP for a week?

    Is the problem having posed with body parts, or is it having photographed the incident?
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Maybe KP for a week?
    Article 15,

    Is the problem having posed with body parts, or is it having photographed the incident?


    My personal problem with it? is them getting caught, it causes an international incident and gives our enemies fodder. as for the actual act? if some dude spent his life building bombs to blow me up, and I had the opportunity, I would stick his head on a pike on the front of my vehicle as a warning to all those who would dare tread on my royal hunting grounds..... but alas, we live in a civil world today, and things such as this is frowned upon in a polite society.


    Seriously though in the scheme of things? what did they do? They posed for pictures with body parts of savages that have been trying to kill them. I find it something not to be encouraged, but hardly a "war crime"....
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