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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Right, that's what I said. I've also been charged with it, and have charged others with it.
    yes and ive seen dishonerable discharges for drinking in afghanistan,the army has gotten strict in the last 2 years.my guess is these soldiers will get serve 45/45 then get a dishonerable discharge to please the public,but no jail time.

    these soldiers were stupid mainly because they took pictures which left evidence,obviously they were not the brightest of the bunch anyways.
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    That doesn't mean it will. "Failure to Obey" rarely warrants such a punishment unless the failure resulted in a death. If a separation is awarded, it's usually an other than honorable or Admin under honorable sep. What vet voice is saying is that if CAN result in a dishonorable, which is true. Since it's gotten the limelight...it may, purely for political reasons. That doesn't mean it's warranted. It's not.
    What does ban on desecration of corpses mean to you Mac? Unless they make an example of these dishonorable actions, we are likely to see this kind of behavior in the future. One of those charged was a non-commissioned officer!!!

    I support the penalty that Voice Vets indicated was possible, dishonorable discharge.
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    yes and ive seen dishonerable discharges for drinking in afghanistan,the army has gotten strict in the last 2 years.my guess is these soldiers will get serve 45/45 then get a dishonerable discharge to please the public,but no jail time.

    these soldiers were stupid mainly because they took pictures which left evidence,obviously they were not the brightest of the bunch anyways.
    I believe that for every picture we see and hear about, there's a thousand or more we do not see. The problem here, as always, is that one prick ex-soldier who has no honor, and sells this to the press. May karma visit that one.

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What does ban on desecration of corpses mean to you Mac? Unless they make an example of these dishonorable actions, we are likely to see this kind of behavior in the future. One of those charged was a non-commissioned officer!!!

    I support the penalty that Voice Vets indicated was possible, dishonorable discharge.
    This crap has gone on since the dawn of time. In pictures since cameras went on the battlefield.

    All that you recommend may likely happen to satisfy all the PC jackasses out there.

    Otherwise, this should be not be much more than a simple minimal fine, and reduction in rank at the worst. To discharge these folks less-than-honorable is absurd. And so patheticlaly piss-ant liberal.

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What does ban on desecration of corpses mean to you Mac? Unless they make an example of these dishonorable actions, we are likely to see this kind of behavior in the future. One of those charged was a non-commissioned officer!!!

    I support the penalty that Voice Vets indicated was possible, dishonorable discharge.
    They don't need to dishonorably discharge them to make an example. You obviously don't know what a dishonorable discharge does to someone. Further, you think such a detrimental punishment is warranted for guys that you know nothing about based on a few pictures you've seen. You know nothing about the stress they faced, the actual standing orders involved, or the details of the indicated situation. But you're ready to hang them out to dry.

    I agree they deserve to be punished. I do not agree that a dishonorable discharge is warranted simply because you are offended. Had they been civilians playing with bodies at a morgue nothing as drastic as a dishonorable discharge would happen to them.

    And, for the record, a standing order banning the desecration of enemy combatant corpses is no more or less significant than a ban on drinking alcohol or pissing outside the latrine in camp.
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    They don't need to dishonorably discharge them to make an example. You obviously don't know what a dishonorable discharge does to someone. Further, you think such a detrimental punishment is warranted for guys that you know nothing about based on a few pictures you've seen. You know nothing about the stress they faced, the actual standing orders involved, or the details of the indicated situation. But you're ready to hang them out to dry.

    I agree they deserve to be punished. I do not agree that a dishonorable discharge is warranted simply because you are offended. Had they been civilians playing with bodies at a morgue nothing as drastic as a dishonorable discharge would happen to them.

    And, for the record, a standing order banning the desecration of enemy combatant corpses is no more or less significant than a ban on drinking alcohol or pissing outside the latrine.
    If people are dishonorably discharged for drinking, then surely it should be nothing less for desecrating corpses. Actions have consequences. if you don't want to do the time, don't commit the crime. After a few have received a dishonorable discharge, others will think twice about taking similar actions.
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    I can somewhat agree with you about reporting the "news" The question to ask is how much editing and opinion is thrown in to the mix? I personally, look at most news reports with a grain of salt. In most cases, not all sides are presented in what you hear or see on tv/radio/paper/internet.
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    If people are dishonorably discharged for drinking, then surely it should be nothing less for desecrating corpses. Actions have consequences. if you don't want to do the time, don't commit the crime. After a few have received a dishonorable discharge, others will think twice about taking similar actions.
    I've never seen anyone dishonorably discharged for drinking against orders. I've seen people reduced in rank for having sex in a combat zone, I've seen people receive extra duty and reduction in rank for drinking...never a dishonorable. I can only attest to what I've seen, you'll have to take up the drinking with beerftw.
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I've never seen anyone dishonorably discharged for drinking against orders. I've seen people reduced in rank for having sex in a combat zone, I've seen people receive extra duty and reduction in rank for drinking...never a dishonorable. I can only attest to what I've seen, you'll have to take up the drinking with beerftw.
    none of those things was likely to gin up the opposition, to the potential detriment of our troops/nation
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I've never seen anyone dishonorably discharged for drinking against orders.
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    yes and ive seen dishonerable discharges for drinking in afghanistan,the army has gotten strict in the last 2 years.my guess is these soldiers will get serve 45/45 then get a dishonerable discharge to please the public,but no jail time.

    these soldiers were stupid mainly because they took pictures which left evidence,obviously they were not the brightest of the bunch anyways.
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