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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

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    Who appointed him?
    World "political leaders".
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    World "political leaders".
    Oooooh, "World political leaders".... Funny, earlier you said

    we were the ones that appointed him as interim president.
    Backtrack much?


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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    How many governments have overthrown Democracy, once installed, and returned to despotism?
    How many are not still being protected by the most powerful military on the planet?

    Look at the millions of lives lost in our attempt to install Democracy at the end of a gun in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    It is stretching the very defination of democratic election to claim that Afghanistan held a democratic election. It would also stretch the defination of democracy to claim what Afghanistan has now is a democracy. There are elected officials, but the leaders, as always are tribal. (which isn't as undemocratic as some would make it seem)
    It was most certainly a Democratic election...two in fact...investigated and endorsed by the UN.

    What can be said is our arrogance in thinking any nation would gladly shuck centuries of honor and tradition for American concepts is folly beyond belief. That all nations would prefer our system to what they have used for centuries is odd don't you think?
    Do you think the Taliban honored those centuries of honor and tradition?
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    How many are not still being protected by the most powerful military on the planet?

    Look at the millions of lives lost in our attempt to install Democracy at the end of a gun in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.

    So you believe life was better for them under the Taliban?


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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    World "political leaders".
    Really? I don't remember that happening....perhaps you can show me why you think that?
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    How many are not still being protected by the most powerful military on the planet?

    Look at the millions of lives lost in our attempt to install Democracy at the end of a gun in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.
    Which country has shucked Democracy and returned to dictatorship? Why can't you just answer a question?

    Edit: btw, Vietnam, South Korea, Iraq and Afghanistan are all democracies.

    Here's another question: When was the last time that two Democratic countries went to war with each other?
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    To be clear, I NEVER said 'pure' democracy.

    Funny I recall the 2009 elections were marked with low voter turnout, fraud, intimidation and ballot stuffing.

    It took a lot of US arm twisting to get a second election for president. However Karzi's opponent, protested the arrangment and withdrew.

    I don't see where the UN approved of anything, NATO ran the election overwatch with some NGO reporting widespread voter fraud.

    Let's skip over all the warlord now 'security consultants' running or Dolstum brought back 3 days before the election as a bartered deal for Karzi. (nevermind Dolstum has about as bloody a set of hands as any Taliwhacker)

    Problem with asking if people want the Taliban is not giving the conditions prior to their rise. The aftermath of a nation flooded with imported arms and centuries old scores to settle suddenly cut adrift after the Soviets left. (oddly enough the Soviets pushed hard for women's rights and reducing warlord tribalism.)

    it is also silly to think the Taliban is the ultimate form of governence the Afghan people will develope. More like the misbegotten cancer left behind after another round of the Great Game.

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    How many are not still being protected by the most powerful military on the planet?

    Look at the millions of lives lost in our attempt to install Democracy at the end of a gun in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan.
    No democracy has declared war on another democracy. The more nations there are with democratic forms of government and FREE elections there are, the less we have to worry.

    Search and try and prove me wrong. Even if you can find one example, it will be one of what, 100? other examples of dictatorships attacking someone else, usually a democracy.

    In all of our recent wars, we have attacked dictatorships only when ultimately forced to do so.

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, hell, let me help you out, then.
    Irony? sarcasm? Never heard of such a thing.

    Now, what does being Anglo have to do with:

    The savages are photographing themselves in action for posterity. Only the cretinous jingoists would fail to see this.
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