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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    i'm not bothered by pics of dead enemies like this.... not in the least.... it's not like they are humans anyways.( dehumanization of the enemy is imperative)
    civilians who have never been faced with such an environment simply do not understand, in any meaningful way, what it's like to dehumanize.. it's an abstract notion to them ( which is something combat vets tend to forget).

    when your days in boots are over, you'll have to come to grips with such things, and you have to be able to look at people though an entirely different prism.
    you'll no longer be able to dehumanize, nor should you...... but while in boots, yeah.. you aren't dealing with humans at all, you are dealing with, at best, meat bags with guns that are trying their level best to kill you.

    so yeah.. take your pictures with your dead targets, I don't mind... but be mindful that there are a whole bunch of people who will not and cannot understand it, and keep those pictures to yourself or other warrior who do understand.

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Here was what Vet Voice stated about the Marines who pissed on the corpses:

    "these actions violate the General Order 1 ban on corpse desecration. So these Marines are looking at the possibility of a dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 2 years under Article 92, UCMJ."

    VetVoice:: Marines Investigating Corpse Desecration
    Article 92 is failure to obey an order. Not all provisions in general orders or regulations can be enforced under Article 92(1). Regulations which only supply general guide-lines or advice for conducting military functions may not be enforceable under Article 92.
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Without reading all 8 pages of posts, all I can say is this:

    If there was ever proof that the USofA needs to get out of these countries ASAP it's stuff like this that should put the final nail in that coffin.

    Bring everybody home. Now. Get our people out of there. No matter where "there" may be. Bring them all home. Now.

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    When you're a soldier you're held to a higher standard. However it's understandable when soldiers do these things. All lot of these people these soldiers are fighting have killed their comrades, their loved ones, or innocents. They really are like trash, and so it's understandable to treat them like it no matter what the higher-ups in clean uniforms think.

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Article 92 is failure to obey an order. Not all provisions in general orders or regulations can be enforced under Article 92(1). Regulations which only supply general guide-lines or advice for conducting military functions may not be enforceable under Article 92.
    Vet Voice obviously believes that failure to obey General Order !, Ban on desecration of corpses, would be enforced under Article 92.
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    anything not covered under article 92 is covered under the catch all article of ucmj article 134a
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Vet Voice obviously believes that failure to obey General Order !, Ban on desecration of corpses, would be enforced under Article 92.
    That doesn't mean it will. "Failure to Obey" rarely warrants such a punishment unless the failure resulted in a death. If a separation is awarded, it's usually an other than honorable or Admin under honorable sep. What vet voice is saying is that if CAN result in a dishonorable, which is true. Since it's gotten the limelight...it may, purely for political reasons. That doesn't mean it's warranted. It's not.
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    That doesn't mean it will. "Failure to Obey" rarely warrants such a punishment unless the failure resulted in a death. If a separation is awarded, it's usually an other than honorable or Admin under honorable sep. What vet voice is saying is that if CAN result in a dishonorable, which is true. Since it's gotten the limelight...it may, purely for political reasons. That doesn't mean it's warranted. It's not.
    ive been charged under article 92 for wayyy less,it simply is for failure to obey a direct or lawful order givin by any officer in your chain of command,warrant officer in a command position in your command chain,or an e-7 or higher in your chain of command.in afghanistan we had alot of people charged with article 92 for drinking in a combat zone,which is against their general order given.
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by beerftw View Post
    ive been charged under article 92 for wayyy less,it simply is for failure to obey a direct or lawful order givin by any officer in your chain of command,warrant officer in a command position in your command chain,or an e-7 or higher in your chain of command.in afghanistan we had alot of people charged with article 92 for drinking in a combat zone,which is against their general order given.
    Right, that's what I said. I've also been charged with it, and have charged others with it.
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    how many hearts and minds did we win with those photos?

    how many did we set against us?


    did not aid our mission an iota. hurt it immeasurably
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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