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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Seems I stand corrected. Any war is a bloody mess, not just a religious one.

    It makes me wonder just why human beings love war so much, glorify it, and engage in it at the least excuse?
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    What is our mission in A-stan? Is it not to kill, the enemy by any means necessary?..Then how can, the actions displayed in those pics be more offensive than war already is?
    Yes it is, but the point I am making, is it is ok to kill in self defense, and defense of the country. It is not OK, to take pictures with the bodies as if they were trophies. War is not a sport, it is a hell that most of us posting do not understand. But, it shouldn't be glorified. The dead are still people, not animals.
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Seems I stand corrected. Any war is a bloody mess, not just a religious one.
    war is war. the guys at the fronts tend to care alot less about the Grand Meta Narrative Behind It.

    If you really want, you may find CS Lewis (who served on the front lines of WWI) writings on war, and his experience, interesting.

    It makes me wonder just why human beings love war so much, glorify it, and engage in it at the least excuse?
    myriad reasons. It's actually easier to simply kill someone and take his stuff than it is to try to develop a skill set and trade him for it.

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    war is war. the guys at the fronts tend to care alot less about the Grand Meta Narrative Behind It.

    If you really want, you may find CS Lewis (who served on the front lines of WWI) writings on war, and his experience, interesting.



    myriad reasons. It's actually easier to simply kill someone and take his stuff than it is to try to develop a skill set and trade him for it.
    One would think that humanity would have evolved beyond conking the other guy on the head and taking over his cave, but it seems we have not.
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Seems I stand corrected. Any war is a bloody mess, not just a religious one.

    It makes me wonder just why human beings love war so much, glorify it, and engage in it at the least excuse?
    It's very rare to find anyone that, "glorifies", war.

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's very rare to find anyone that, "glorifies", war.
    You find them. Early to mid 20th Century Progressives considered war morally beneficent for the nation, especially as it encouraged the public coordination of efforts towards a single goal, a tendency they hoped to transplant to other social issues.


    The Moral Equivalent of War

    ...The martial type of character can be bred without war. Strenuous honor and disinterestedness abound everywhere. Priests and medical men are in a fashion educated to it, and we should all feel some degree if its imperative if we were conscious of our work as an obligatory service to the state. We should be owned, as soldiers are by the army, and our pride would rise accordingly. We could be poor, then, without humiliation, as army officers now are. The only thing needed henceforward is to inflame the civic temper as part history has inflamed the military temper. H. G. Wells, as usual, sees the centre of the situation. "In many ways," he says, "military organization is the most peaceful of activities. When the contemporary man steps from the street, of clamorous insincere advertisement, push, adulteration, underselling and intermittent employment into the barrack-yard, he steps on to a higher social plane, into an atmosphere of service and cooperation and of infinitely more honorable emulations. Here at least men are not flung out of employment to degenerate because there is no immediate work for them to do. They are fed a drilled and training for better services. Here at least a man is supposed to win promotion by self-forgetfulness and not by self-seeking. And beside the feeble and irregular endowment of research by commercialism, its little shortsighted snatches at profit by innovation and scientific economy, see how remarkable is the steady and rapid development of method and appliances in naval and military affairs! Nothing is more striking than to compare the progress of civil conveniences which has been left almost entirely to the trader, to the progress in military apparatus during the last few decades. The house-appliances of today, for example, are little better than they were fifty years ago. A house of today is still almost as ill-ventilated, badly heated by wasteful fires, clumsily arranged and furnished as the house of 1858. Houses a couple of hundred years old are still satisfactory places of residence, so little have our standards risen. But the rifle or battleship of fifty years ago was beyond all comparison inferior to those we now possess; in power, in speed, in convenience alike. No one has a use now for such superannuated things."

    Wells adds that he thinks that the conceptions of order and discipline, the tradition of service and devotion, of physical fitness, unstinted exertion, and universal responsibility, which universal military duty is now teaching European nations, will remain a permanent acquisition when the last ammunition has been used in the fireworks that celebrate the final peace. I believe as he does. It would be simply preposterous if the only force that could work ideals of honor and standards of efficiency into English or American natures should be the fear of being killed by the Germans or the Japanese. Great indeed is Fear; but it is not, as our military enthusiasts believe and try to make us believe, the only stimulus known for awakening the higher ranges of men's spiritual energy. The amount of alteration in public opinion which my utopia postulates is vastly less than the difference between the mentality of those black warriors who pursued Stanley's party on the Congo with their cannibal war-cry of "Meat! Meat!" and that of the "general-staff" of any civilized nation. History has seen the latter interval bridged over; the former one can be bridged over much more easily.

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Of course they can, and do. If it is a religious war, though, then god is on their side and so they can't lose. Anything that they do is good, glorious, and godly, while the enemy is the devil incarnate and therefore less than human.
    Funny how many religious wars don't go that way though. Both sides think god is on their side and when one side loses, they don't admit they were wrong, they make up excuses why god abandoned them.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Seems I stand corrected. Any war is a bloody mess, not just a religious one.

    It makes me wonder just why human beings love war so much, glorify it, and engage in it at the least excuse?
    The best description of man......from Pressfield

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    "Mankind as it is constituted," Polynikes said, "is as a boil and a canker. Observe the specimens in any nation other than Lakedaemon. Man is weak, greedy, craven, lustful, prey to every species of vice and depravity. He will lie, steal, cheat, murder, melt down the very statues of the gods and coin their gold as money for whores. This is man. This is his nature, as all the poets attest.

    Fortunately God in his mercy has provided a counterpoise to our specoes' innate depravity. That gift, my young friend is war.

    War, not peace, produces virtue. War, not peace, purges vice. War, and preparation for war, call forth all that is noble and honorable in a man. It unites him with his brothers and binds them in selfless love, eradicating in the crucible of necessity all which is base and ignoble. There in the holy mill of murder the meanest of men may seek and find that part of himself, concealed beneath the corrupt, which shines forth brilliant and virtuous, worthy of honor before the gods. Do not despise war, my young friend, nor delude yourself that mercy and compassion are virtuessuperior to andreia, to manly valor.

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I have no idea who Dick Durbin is but I think that's another malicious comparison on his part, imho.
    That would be "Little Dick" Durban (D)

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Nope. That doesn't work that way. First, you answer then you get a cookie

    Counter my point....

    Take out the uniforms, the German language and the genocide (for now) and you get the American left. Control of industry, schools, indoctrination of the youth, class warfare, confiscation of the property of the targeted class, etc. And do it all for the people.
    There is a wonderful quote attributed to Adolph "Hope and Change" Hitler, "Give me five years and you won't recognize your cities". circa 1939. I doubt that is is real but I like it.

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