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Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

mac said:
They are not "lesser offenses" there is no article in the UCMJ concerning desecrating corpses.
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I think the Military will take General Order 1 Ban on desecration of corpses more seriously than you do.
 
Catawba said:
I think the Military will take General Order 1 Ban on desecration of corpses more seriously than you do.
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They would...if there was one.
 
mac said:
or how much of a douche the accused is during the proceedings.
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quite true,but in these soldiers cases if 82nd wanted to protect them,they would simply be unable to because these pictures are public.

had they made their way to the army brass they could have easily destroyed the pictures and punished them under the table through an article 134a
 
Our job. Our goal. Our hope and prayer is to make that dumb sumbich Taliban die for his cause. In spades.

Visual evidence of mission accomplished always warms my heart. Good job Airborne. Good job.

**** all you candy-ass libruls, btw.
 
Captain America said:
Don't mean to jump in where I don't belong but drug use in the military usually ends up with the soldior getting the old boot out the gate with an OTH discharge. I don't know what you link says, I only know what I have seen happened a dozen times or more.

An OTH discharge is not a BCD (Bad Conduct Discharge) or a Dishonorable. It is referred to as an ad sep (administrative separation.) Which basicly means "You're fired." It is not nearly as bad as a BCD or Dishonorable.

Just sayin. Carry on.
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Evidently, these days they are dishonorably discharging more that in previous years for drug charges.
 
American said:
Why don't they have ten of them hanging on a rope. They ****ed up, they're the 82nd Airborne there should be hundred of dead Taliban all lined up. They should have a sign hanging up in Arabic that says, "This is what we're going to do to you Taliban mother****ers when we catch you, so you better run."
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Yup, put their heads on spikes around the compound.....USA! USA!
 
Catawba said:
I think the Military will take General Order 1 Ban on desecration of corpses more seriously than you do.
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General Order 1 Ban? What the **** is that?!? :rofl
 
I think if some of the folks here knew what a dishonorable discharge entails, and what additional punishments and losses of freedoms that go with it, they would be a bit more careful in calling for one.

a Dishonorable is much much more than than simply being booted out of the service.... in most ways, it's the same, or worse, than being a convicted violent felon.
you lose your right to vote, your right to keep and bear arms, your ability to hold office, your ability to work for the government, the right to unemployment benefits upon separation, your veteran status ( and all veteran benefits, including medical benefits).

that's a mighty steep price to pay for clicking some pictures that every photojournalist does legally and properly.


so yeah, in your zeal to show just how anti-war or anti-military you are... just keep the facts in mind.... you'll be seriosuly ****ing someone over for life for doing something that it otherwise legal and proper ( for journalists)
 
mac said:
It's not. It is, however, prohibited.
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The publication of those photos is prohibited.

The real disgrace, here, is that the NYT actually published these photos, knowing damn well the brew-ha-ha it would cause.
 
apdst said:
It's a good thing that the Libbos weren't around during the Civil War. Their heads would have exploded.

Dead Confederates at, "Bloody Lane", after Antietam.



More dead Confederates on Antietam. If I recollect, these are Georgia troops that were killed before Burnside's Bridge.



These are soldier from Starke's Louisiana Brigade, mowed down on the Hagerstown Turnpike.



This young soldier--killed at The Devil's Den, at Gettysburg--was posed in at least two different spots.





Just a little perspective for all the handwringers.
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It isn't the same thing, and the fact that you can't understand it speaks volumes.
 
apdst said:
It's a good thing that the Libbos weren't around during the Civil War. Their heads would have exploded.

Dead Confederates at, "Bloody Lane", after Antietam.

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More dead Confederates on Antietam. If I recollect, these are Georgia troops that were killed before Burnside's Bridge.

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These are soldier from Starke's Louisiana Brigade, mowed down on the Hagerstown Turnpike.

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This young soldier--killed at The Devil's Den, at Gettysburg--was posed in at least two different spots.

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Just a little perspective for all the handwringers.
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The good ole days??? Is that what you are trying to say? And still I don't see anyone pissing on corpses or parading around with body parts, do you?
 
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Thrilla said:
I think if some of the folks here knew what a dishonorable discharge entails, and what additional punishments and losses of freedoms that go with it, they would be a bit more careful in calling for one.

a Dishonorable is much much more than than simply being booted out of the service.... in most ways, it's the same, or worse, than being a convicted violent felon.
you lose your right to vote, your right to keep and bear arms, your ability to hold office, your ability to work for the government, the right to unemployment benefits upon separation, your veteran status ( and all veteran benefits, including medical benefits).

that's a mighty steep price to pay for clicking some pictures that every photojournalist does legally and properly.


so yeah, in your zeal to show just how anti-war or anti-military you are... just keep the facts in mind.... you'll be seriosuly ****ing someone over for life for doing something that it otherwise legal and proper ( for journalists)
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Libbos hate soldiers, so they don't care about any of that.

Bradley Manning is a hero to the Libbos. These guys need to have their lives ruined. See a pattern?
 
Its only the liberal idiots calling for a Dishonorable. The same jackasses who do not serve. Who the rest of us hope will just GTFO of the way when the crap hits the fan. REMF's on their best days.
 
apdst said:
The publication of those photos is prohibited.

The real disgrace, here, is that the NYT actually published these photos, knowing damn well the brew-ha-ha it would cause.
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It wasn't the NYT, it was the LAT.

I thought you would want them shown.
 
apdst said:
The publication of those photos is prohibited.

The real disgrace, here, is that the NYT actually published these photos, knowing damn well the brew-ha-ha it would cause.
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No, general order 1 prohibits photography of human casualties. It doesn't say anything about "desecrating" said human casualties.
 
beerftw said:
im pretty sure the difference between oth and bcd and dishonerable is how much of a douche your brass feels like being when they make your reccomendations
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One would think, hey? I'm sure a cocky, punk-ass, disrespectful, loser could talk himself from an OTH to a BCD but not a Dishonorable. Dishonorable is really some bad ju-ju. You gotta REALLY **** up to get one of those. Attitude don't really play a part in that one.

I'm just talking "standard" procedure. Since the zero tolerance policy kicked in they been handing out OTH's like Halloween candy. That really ain't no biggee. I knew sailors that went for one intentionally just to get out. Back then, all you had to do was act queer or smoke a doobie to get a OTH. An OTH can't hurt you none in the civillian world. But a BCD or Dishonorable can follow you around. BCD and Dishonorable can also cost you any accumulated military benefits.
 
Catawba said:
There is a distinction between documenting war and desecrating corpses.
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did you even read the OP?.... this topic isn't about desecrating corpses.. it's about taking pictures of dead afghans.

maybe you should be more like me and get on topic?
 
Eighty Deuce said:
Its only the liberal idiots calling for a Dishonorable. The same jackasses who do not serve. Who the rest of us hope will just GTFO of the way when the crap hits the fan. REMF's on their best days.
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Check yourself soldier. Not ALL liberals think that way.
 
Captain America said:
One would think, hey? I'm sure a cocky, punk-ass, disrespectful, loser could talk himself from an OTH to a BCD but not a Dishonorable. Dishonorable is really some bad ju-ju. You gotta REALLY **** up to get one of those. Attitude don't really play a part in that one.

I'm just talking "standard" procedure. Since the zero tolerance policy kicked in they been handing out OTH's like Halloween candy. That really ain't no biggee. I knew sailors that went for one intentionally just to get out. Back then, all you had to do was act queer or smoke a doobie to get a OTH. An OTH can't hurt you none in the civillian world. But a BCD or Dishonorable can follow you around. BCD and Dishonorable can also cost you any accumulated military benefits.
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OTH can be upgraded to honorable after a period of time as well. BCD and dishonorable can not be upgraded at anytime.
 
Catawba said:
The good ole days??? Is that what you are trying to say? And still I don't see anyone pissing on corpses or parading around with body parts, do you?
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Did I say that? No? Didn't think so.

Obviously, you totally missed the point...but...that comes as no surprise.

Let's have some more history lessons.

This is the grape of a Japanese soldier, hung in a tree by American troops.

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Here are two Marines, "stewing", skulls. i.e. boiling the flesh off the skull.

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WW 2 is a perfect example, because it's the last, "clean", war that we fought...according to the Libbos.
 
Thrilla said:
did you even read the OP?.... this topic isn't about desecrating corpses.. it's about taking pictures of dead afghans.

maybe you should be more like me and get on topic?
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Wow...the irony.
 
Captain America said:
One would think, hey? I'm sure a cocky, punk-ass, disrespectful, loser could talk himself from an OTH to a BCD but not a Dishonorable. Dishonorable is really some bad ju-ju. You gotta REALLY **** up to get one of those. Attitude don't really play a part in that one.

I'm just talking "standard" procedure. Since the zero tolerance policy kicked in they been handing out OTH's like Halloween candy. That really ain't no biggee. I knew sailors that went for one intentionally just to get out. Back then, all you had to do was act queer or smoke a doobie to get a OTH. An OTH can't hurt you none in the civillian world. But a BCD or Dishonorable can follow you around. BCD and Dishonorable can also cost you any accumulated military benefits.
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dishonerables definately follow you everywhere.soldiers who recieve a bcd can appeal within 2 years of recieving a bcd through special courtmartial to get it upgraded to oth ,but its not guaranteed.

the army has jumped on the dishonerable discharge wagon because rules have become lenient in the last decade because of war,and since force reduction and the wars coming to an end,they are trying to set an example that the army isnt going to let soldiers run free anymore.to make it worse they are actually starting to chapter out all the members of the jelly belly club again,something they havent pushed too mch since before iraq and afghanistan.
 
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apdst said:
Did I say that? No? Didn't think so.

Obviously, you totally missed the point...but...that comes as no surprise.

Let's have some more history lessons.

This is the grape of a Japanese soldier, hung in a tree by American troops.

416px-JapaneseheadBurma1945.jpg


Here are two Marines, "stewing", skulls. i.e. boiling the flesh off the skull.

Pacific_war.jpg


WW 2 is a perfect example, because it's the last, "clean", war that we fought...according to the Libbos.
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You mean the war where we annihilated thousands of Japanese civilians with one bomb? The war where we carpet bombed German cities night and day? Can you show me where a "Libbo" said World War II was "clean"?
 
apdst said:
Did I say that? No? Didn't think so.

Obviously, you totally missed the point...but...that comes as no surprise.
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You missed the point, the Civil war photos were not comparable.

Let's have some more history lessons.
This is the grape of a Japanese soldier, hung in a tree by American troops.
Here are two Marines, "stewing", skulls. i.e. boiling the flesh off the skull.
WW 2 is a perfect example, because it's the last, "clean", war that we fought...according to the Libbos.
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You learned your lesson and proved my point, war dehumanizes man to where he can do these things.
 
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