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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    You're seriously asking that question?
    Yes. The horror of war is shielded from the American public. Many who served in the war have stated that people who never been in battle can't understand. So am curious as to his thought process then. That thought process of the solider is not given to the public. All the public sees is the smiling troops marching down the street while the public wave their flags and clap. But what did those soldiers just go through?

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    Then please share with us your reaction to your first kill. How did you react to it?
    it wasn't my kill.. but after watching my first enemy get zapped, I threw up all over the place... I went from being scared ****less, unable to move, to violently ill in the blink of an eye.....a couple of days later, it was like night and day...death just didn't bug me much....fear and sickness was replaced by anger and malice.

    what your mind will do to cope with the environment is amazing.

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    This is what you get when you lower the standards as to who gets in. I have a huge respect for most of our men and women in the military, but when standards are lowered and you have people entering that are not doing it for patriotic reasons and God has been basically driven out of our society, this is what you get. A lot of these young men and women have been raised and schooled in our God void liberal society which transcends all barriers including the military. A lot of them are void of any morals, ethics or values. Not all, most a lot of these men and women are not our parents military.
    If it sounds like Marx and acts like Stalin...it must be Obama

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rapunzel52 View Post
    This is what you get when you lower the standards as to who gets in. I have a huge respect for most of our men and women in the military, but when standards are lowered and you have people entering that are not doing it for patriotic reasons and God has been basically driven out of our society, this is what you get. A lot of these young men and women have been raised and schooled in our God void liberal society which transcends all barriers including the military. A lot of them are void of any morals, ethics or values. Not all, most a lot of these men and women are not our parents military.
    oy vey.

    one of the most effective, hard chargin', Marines I ever had the pleasure of knowing was a baptist minister before he was drafted ( he later reenlisted)... he was also the most "moral" person I have ever had met.... so fine a person that upon his death ( KIA), I took his family in as my own and helped raise his son ( my godson).
    this man was very influential to me, not only in what a Marine was supposed to be, but what a good person was supposed to be.

    don't feed me no bull**** about godless liberal society and lowered standards.

    hell, look back upon some of our most brutal battles... Marines would attend church services right before they embarked on Island campaigns where they would slaughter thousands of Japanese enemies with abandon.... these were otherwise "moral" men just doing what comes naturally in war.

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    it wasn't my kill.. but after watching my first enemy get zapped, I threw up all over the place... I went from being scared ****less, unable to move, to violently ill in the blink of an eye.....a couple of days later, it was like night and day...death just didn't bug me much....fear and sickness was replaced by anger and malice.

    what your mind will do to cope with the environment is amazing.
    That is a very honest and open look at your past experience. It is interesting how it changed you in as you say a very short period of time.
    More than one of my friends who fought in Vietnam say the shocking thing for them was how young the enemy looked to them.
    Am certain they have all those mental videos in their memories banks stored away. Majority just don't talk about that and that is very understandable.

    That is a heavy burden to be put on guys of many who were just out of high school.

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    That is a very honest and open look at your past experience. It is interesting how it changed you in as you say a very short period of time.
    More than one of my friends who fought in Vietnam say the shocking thing for them was how young the enemy looked to them.
    Am certain they have all those mental videos in their memories banks stored away. Majority just don't talk about that and that is very understandable.

    That is a heavy burden to be put on guys of many who were just out of high school.
    well, after quite a few years of drug and alcohol abuse, I underwent a few years of therapy....being honest about things is the result and ,still to this day,what helps me the most.
    internalizing the burdens did a ton of harm to me... and now, I do whatever I can not to get caught in that **** again... internalizing stuff is simply not good for me.
    upon my death, my full "memoirs" will be released to my family...while i still can't really share everything with them ( I don't want to put them into a position to judge me), I like knowing everything will be brought forth at some point.

    obviously I have many vet friends who've seen the elephant, we all deal differently.... some could shrug this stuff off, others couldn't.... some talked, others didn't.

    most of my "bad" experiences were in conflicts after 'Nam... but Nam started it all for me ( I consider myself less than a "real" Nam vet, even though i served my tour... we had our contacts with the VC, but i wasn't a ground pounder then)... and yeah, it did bother me that the VC/NVA looked like children... at first.
    it doesn't take long to figure out that they are fierce lil' sunsabiches.


    I read a book quite a few years back , about a guys experiences in Korea... he said pretty much the same thing I felt.... the first few firefights , you are too scared to do ****.... then comes a fight where you just get angry and everything changes.
    you might get angry at simply being made to hit the dirt again .. or you just might be angry that someone is trying to hurt your bros... or you might be angry at having to hump the bush for days.... whatever you are angry about, it replaces the fear and you come to the " ok, i've had enough of this bull****, it's on" mentality... it's an interesting shift, to say he least.

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Imho, I think a lot of the more-sensitive people on this issue need to step back and realize the reality of war. **** happens.

    My brother-in-law has killed 23 insurgents.

    He has no respect for those loudmouths sitting on their biscuit in the sidelines, assuming exactly how soldiers should behave during the hell of war.

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    Then please share with us your reaction to your first kill. How did you react to it?
    NP - It was like a broken record. Kinda went something like this.. "Breathe, breathe, breathe, calm, the **** down!!.....breathe, breathe...look for targets...Holy ****, I can't believe this is really happening....breathe, breathe....Holy ****, I can't believe this is really happening....look for target.....Holy ****, I can't believe this is really happening" ...over and over, again

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    NP - It was like a broken record. Kinda went something like this.. "Breathe, breathe, breathe, calm, the **** down!!.....breathe, breathe...look for targets...Holy ****, I can't believe this is really happening....breathe, breathe....Holy ****, I can't believe this is really happening....look for target.....Holy ****, I can't believe this is really happening" ...over and over, again
    A person with ADD may actually love that. So exciting. J/k

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Well, the pictures we are talking about now certainly have value to those that love to bash soldiers.
    Some folks are bashing the situation, not the troops. If anything, the pictures only serve to make me feel sorry for the troops. Don't forget, many of our warriors are still under the legal drinking age.

    They might as well snap some shots to show us what will be popping up in their dreams for the rest of their lives.

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