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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Dick Durbin compared our soldiers at Gitmo to Nazis......it's a political template.
    I have no idea who Dick Durbin is but I think that's another malicious comparison on his part, imho.

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

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    Please counter or go back to the kitchen....
    why, did you make me lunch?

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I have no idea who Dick Durbin is but I think that's another malicious comparison, imho.
    as do I.....

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Please counter or go back to the kitchen

    Both Democratic Socialism and Social Democracies have their origins firmly rooted in Nazi economic policy. If you pick at them a little, most of our modern liberals will admit their long term goal is to reform America into a "Social Democracy".


    Nazism came from the left, not the right.
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    why, did you make me lunch?
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    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    why, did you make me lunch?
    Nope. That doesn't work that way. First, you answer then you get a cookie

    Counter my point....

    Take out the uniforms, the German language and the genocide (for now) and you get the American left. Control of industry, schools, indoctrination of the youth, class warfare, confiscation of the property of the targeted class, etc. And do it all for the people.

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    ...Take out the uniforms, the German language and the genocide (for now) and you get the American left. Control of industry, schools, indoctrination of the youth, class warfare, confiscation of the property of the targeted class, etc. And do it all for the people.
    bigotry, homophobia, supporting big corporations, nationalism...these are all the politics of the RIGHT.....not the Left.

    nevermind the fact that the Nazis murdered thousands and thousands of Socialists, Communists, Social-Democrats, and other leftists.

    Nazism is left-wing huh? bull**** and you know it.

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    I don't understand the taking of souvenir war pictures, unless it's just to show them to other guys involved in the war. Once they get state side, they don't have any value.
    Well, the pictures we are talking about now certainly have value to those that love to bash soldiers.
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    I'll say this:

    A friend of mine is a former Marine Sergeant who served in Kandahar and Helmand/Lashkar Gah back in 2008. We discussed this incident, and what he said ran something along these lines. (My Marine friend leans "very liberal" by the way, so partisan politics doesn't play into this). He said that when you're under the daily stress of combat, when you see your brothers killed, your friends maimed, and body parts flying everywhere, one essentially experiences a paradigm shift. What's moral or immoral? What's normal or abnormal? All of these things are shifted and become relative based on one's own experiences. When you experience the horror of war in that fashion, posing with some dead bodies seems relatively innocent in comparison. Not that such behavior is ever excusable or should be condoned, but frankly I'm a bit sick of the whole "sicko soldiers/baby killers" mantra.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Well, the pictures we are talking about now certainly have value to those that love to bash soldiers.
    Odd, you look at it this way and not at how poorly those who takes these pictures reflect badly on soldiers. Must be that poor national esteem surfacing again.


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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I'll say this:

    A friend of mine is a former Marine Sergeant who served in Kandahar and Helmand/Lashkar Gah back in 2008. We discussed this incident, and what he said ran something along these lines. (My Marine friend leans "very liberal" by the way, so partisan politics doesn't play into this). He said that when you're under the daily stress of combat, when you see your brothers killed, your friends maimed, and body parts flying everywhere, one essentially experiences a paradigm shift. What's moral or immoral? What's normal or abnormal? All of these things are shifted and become relative based on one's own experiences. When you experience the horror of war in that fashion, posing with some dead bodies seems relatively innocent in comparison. Not that such behavior is ever excusable or should be condoned, but frankly I'm a bit sick of the whole "sicko soldiers/baby killers" mantra.
    And he is correct. I will say this though. Dealing with the effects of war is not easy, but often clear rules of behavior help. Not a cure all, but one of many avenues that can help soldiers not only while there, but in coming back home.

    So, I don't see them as sicko, or baby killers, but as people who will have to one day reconcile their actions with there humanity. We do them no favors by excusing it. A first Sargent I had once talked to me a good while about the role of punishment, and that sometimes punishment is for the benefit of the soldier, and not everyone else. he was a hard ass, even insisting on being punished himself. But I believe he was correct. We need to be reminded from time to time as to who we are.

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