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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Would you clarify?
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    And would you clarify?
    um.....I did already.

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    um.....I did already.
    Wake asked a fair question. Why is it troubling that he is attempting to understand the troops' behavior and sympathize with their situation.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    um.....I did already.
    You did not.

    You stated it was troubling, and I'm asking you to clarify as to why.

    Tbh it's your call. Either you can explain why that is, or gloss over it.

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Wake asked a fair question. Why is it troubling that he is attempting to understand the troops' behavior and sympathize with their situation.
    why do I feel its troubling to attempt to sympathize & understand taking photos with the remains of a dead enemy?

    maybe because I have a clear sense of right & wrong, moral & immoral, and common decency.

    In our society, even the remains of our enemies deserve respect. This is what makes us right...and them wrong. This is what makes us good..and them evil.

    Forgive me for having a inflated view of American values.

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    why do I feel its troubling to attempt to sympathize & understand taking photos with the remains of a dead enemy?

    maybe because I have a clear sense of right & wrong, moral & immoral, and common decency.

    In our society, even the remains of our enemies deserve respect. This is what makes us right...and them wrong. This is what makes us good..and them evil.

    Forgive me for having a inflated view of American values.
    Would you sympathize with a thief who stole food in order to keep himself from starving?
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    I don't condone their actions, but I understand it and sympathize with them.

    The Taliban is a militant group responsible for much terrorism. I consider them terrorists. Did you know that, according to the United Nations, the Taliban and their allies were responsible for 75% of Afghan civilian casualties in 2010 and 80% in 2011?1
    According to the united nations propaganda machine.... there,fixed for you.
    Listen to your conscience....and let it sink in.

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fubar View Post
    According to the united nations propaganda machine.... there,fixed for you.
    Perhaps you should clarify that as well.

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Would you sympathize with a thief who stole food in order to keep himself from starving?
    Would you keep sympathizing if the thief went back to the market and taunted the man he stole from in order to eat? Then took pictures of the man crying and in ruin to show his buddies? You still sympathizing with him at that point?
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fubar View Post
    According to the united nations propaganda machine.... there,fixed for you.
    let me guess: all acts of terrorism in Afghanistan are false-flags. Am I correct?

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Following the line that it is understandable, shouldn't the punishments be less severe, since these soldiers have to deal with the terror of dying/being captured and tortured on a daily basis?
    What other conflict have we been involved in where that was not the case? Every combat volunteer knew what he was getting involved in, this is an undefined war with undefined enemies. They are not terrorists (unless you can show direct AQ connections, but AQ has little if any presence), they are not even enemy combatants any longer (at least those that are detained/captured).
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