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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Not only that, but they are inherently stupid.

    I vote we start discharging soldiers who do this immediately and forthwith. Have a proven undoctored photo? Out you go. ENOUGH!!!
    Yes, posing for a photo like this immediately places one in the "too stupid to be given access to weaponry" category.
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Ehh, stuff like this happens all the time. It's kinda ****ed up but not a big deal IMO.

    What IS a big deal is how these photos became public.
    To me it is a big deal. You dont disrespect the dead. That shows a low class and a disrespect for human lives. These guys are representing America. We are working or should be working to improve our image around the world. Mocking and displaying death in these countries is not how to go about doing that. This is disgusting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    To me it is a big deal. You dont disrespect the dead. That shows a low class and a disrespect for human lives. These guys are representing America. We are working or should be working to improve our image around the world. Mocking and displaying death in these countries is not how to go about doing that. This is disgusting.
    It is disgusting, but I don't have as much a problem with this as I did with the pissing Marines. This kinda stuff happens in EVERY war and it's pretty impossible to prevent it. What IS a big deal to me is how the **** do these pics keep on surfacing in the public domain.
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Ehh, stuff like this happens all the time. It's kinda ****ed up but not a big deal IMO.

    What IS a big deal is how these photos became public.
    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    It is disgusting, but I don't have as much a problem with this as I did with the pissing Marines. This kinda stuff happens in EVERY war and it's pretty impossible to prevent it. What IS a big deal to me is how the **** do these pics keep on surfacing in the public domain.
    Um, because electronic devices are connected worldwide.

    I'm still trying to understand this, you are not upset so much about it happening (you expect it), you are upset that it becomes known?
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    It is disgusting, but I don't have as much a problem with this as I did with the pissing Marines. This kinda stuff happens in EVERY war and it's pretty impossible to prevent it. What IS a big deal to me is how the **** do these pics keep on surfacing in the public domain.
    You're right...I don't think this is new, nor that disturbing in the context that they're in. Disturbing to the average every day person? Absolutely. However its an entirely different world, mindset, and culture within a war zone and even just in the military than what the average person experiences. Its precisely why I'm fine with a lot of stuff that goes on in war NOT making it to the news. However, the reason it does is we are living in a time where connectivity and communication is at an all time high and due to that this stuff has a far easier pathway to breaking through that veil of military culture.

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    You're right...I don't think this is new, nor that disturbing in the context that they're in. Disturbing to the average every day person? Absolutely. However its an entirely different world, mindset, and culture within a war zone and even just in the military than what the average person experiences. Its precisely why I'm fine with a lot of stuff that goes on in war NOT making it to the news. However, the reason it does is we are living in a time where connectivity and communication is at an all time high and due to that this stuff has a far easier pathway to breaking through that veil of military culture.
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    It has to deal with being there a long time. Just complete disrespect of human life.


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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Um, because electronic devices are connected worldwide.

    I'm still trying to understand this, you are not upset so much about it happening (you expect it), you are upset that it becomes known?
    Just because you take a picture doesn't mean it has to end up on the internet. Understood?

    I am more upset that it becomes known because it brings public shame upon the soldier and his unit, not to mention more potential backlash from the Afghan populace. Essentially, when **** like this becomes widely publicized, it makes the job a lot harder to do.
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Normalizing death in a combat situation is most likely the best way to deal with the horrors of war. I really do not have a problem with taking pictures as a "souvenir" of survival in a hot zone, if it relieves the stress of war. To send it home in this manner is what I have a problem with.

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    Normalizing death in a combat situation is most likely the best way to deal with the horrors of war. I really do not have a problem with taking pictures as a "souvenir" of survival in a hot zone, if it relieves the stress of war. To send it home in this manner is what I have a problem with.
    I've never been to war, but I know all too many who have. The horrors are unimaginable to any who have not lived it. That's one reason I don't go all postal when I see photos of troops posing with dead bodies or pissing on them. If I'd spent months and years watching the "enemy" blow up my friends and torture civilians, I'd be bat**** insane. Thing is, nobody goes into tooth-gnashing finger-pointing meltdowns when people are being bombed and brutalized by this same "enemy", or when our soldiers make this "enemy" dead in the first place... only when they figuratively kick the body of someone who has tried to kill them and are stupid enough to take pictures of themselves doing it.

    What angers me most is that some soldier sent this photo to the LA Times, knowing the repurcussions it would have to his fellow soldiers in the photo. That's cold.

    Anyway, I'll save my outrage for those who murder, rape and maim innocents.

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