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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    al Qaeda and our enemies. That too is clear.
    So you don't see the Taliban as enemies of the United States?

    On October 4, 2001, British Prime Minister Tony Blair released information compiled by Western intelligence agencies connecting Osama bin Laden to the Afghanistan's Taliban leadership as well as being the leader of the al-Qaeda organization.[28] The Taliban government gave safe haven to Osama bin Laden in the years leading up to the attack, and his al-Qaeda network may have had a close relationship with the Taliban army and police[citation needed]. On the day of 9/11, the Taliban foreign minister told the Arab television network Al Jazeera: "We denounce this terrorist attack, whoever is behind it."[96]

    The United States requested the Taliban to shut down all al-Qaeda bases in Afghanistan, open them to inspection and turn over Osama bin Laden. The Taliban refused all these requests. Instead they offered to extradite Osama bin Laden to an Islamic country, for trial under Islamic law, if the United States presented evidence of his guilt.[97] The Taliban had previously refused to extradite bin Laden to the United States, or prosecute him, after he was indicted by the US federal courts for involvement in the 1998 United States embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania.[98] The Taliban deemed eyewitness testimony and satellite phone call recordings entered in the public record in February 2001 during a trial as insufficient grounds to extradite bin Laden for his involvement in the bombings.[citation needed]

    Invoking the Bush Doctrine, which stated "We will make no distinction between the terrorists and those who harbor them", the United States and Britain invaded and overthrew the Taliban regime in 2001, using air power, special forces and the Northern Alliance as a land army.

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    No distinction is pretty clear.

    But better yet Joe, do you believe in human rights?

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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    al Qaeda and our enemies. That too is clear.
    No, you said that you'd have sent "them" in....Who is them?


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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So you don't see the Taliban as enemies of the United States?
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    Their forerunners, the Mujahadeen were allies of the US.
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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Their forerunners, the Mujahadeen were allies of the US.
    Yep, and we are talking about the Taliban.

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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yep, and we are talking about the Taliban.

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    who grew out of the Mujahadeen.

    The differences are discussed here:

    Katib's account might be exaggerated, but the story still reveals that there was an unspoken rule that women and girls were part of the conquest package. As such, the mujahideen's struggle over Kabul was a continuation of traditional jihad complete with internal rivalries, pillage and looting. The mujahideen were part of the realm of traditional politics in which a conquered region is a turf that can be exploited by strongmen, who call themselves mujahideen so as to appear respectable.

    The Taliban's conquest of Afghanistan in 1996, by contrast, strayed from the path of tradition. In a striking breach of precedence, the Taliban militia did not make use of their unspoken right to pillage and loot. They searched the conquered populations' homes, but only to confiscate weapons and so ensure a monopoly of violence for their state.
    It appears the one (our allies) fought in order to have the right to pillage, rape, and loot, while the other (our enemies) wanted to disarm the public and so gain power.

    I believe Al Qaeda is the other group that grew out of our allies, was it not?
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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    who grew out of the Mujahadeen.

    The differences are discussed here:



    It appears the one (our allies) fought in order to have the right to pillage, rape, and loot, while the other (our enemies) wanted to disarm the public and so gain power.

    Oh I know, the Taliban are just a great group of guys....Misunderstood taxi cab drivers all....


    I believe Al Qaeda is the other group that grew out of our allies, was it not?
    You do realize that the Mujahideen is by definition a loosely affiliated group from differing backgrounds right?


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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh I know, the Taliban are just a great group of guys....Misunderstood taxi cab drivers all....




    You do realize that the Mujahideen is by definition a loosely affiliated group from differing backgrounds right?


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    Of course I do.
    You do realize that both the Taliban and Al Qaeda are loosely affiliated groups from differing backgrounds, and that both of them grew out of the Mujahadeen, right?

    and that the Mujahadeen was basically a loosely affiliated group of bandits who waged guerrilla warfare in order to be able to rape, plunder, and pillage, right?

    and that no one is saying that the Taliban is a "great group of guys" because their goal was power rather than plunder, right?
    or that the taxi driver who was tortured and killed was not Al Qaeda or Taliban, right?

    right, right???
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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, you said that you'd have sent "them" in....Who is them?


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    Read your own comment. The one I was replying to.

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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So you don't see the Taliban as enemies of the United States?



    No distinction is pretty clear.

    But better yet Joe, do you believe in human rights?

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    J, you're not posting anything here we don't know or that addresses what I've said at all.

    As for human rights, do you remember when I posted the position of humans groups, their detailed reasoning for why Iraq was not something human rights groups could support? Not sure they did anything for Afghanistan, but the same reasoning would largely follow. We didn't invade either for human rights concerns, and we brought a lot of pain, much of which human rights groups did not support, for valid reasons.

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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

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    War and Sacrifice in the Post-9/11 Era | Pew Social & Demographic Trends
    "Veterans are more supportive than the general public of U.S. military efforts in Afghanistan and Iraq. Even so, they are ambivalent. Just half of all post-9/11 veterans say that, given the costs and benefits to the U.S., the war in Afghanistan has been worth fighting. A smaller share (44%) says the war in Iraq has been worth it. Only one-third (34%) say both wars have been worth fighting, and a nearly identical share (33%) say neither has been worth the costs."
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