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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Support comes in forms other than monetary.

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    Sure, but you have to be more specific. The lsit of support for our enemies is large, and in the big picture, even comes from the home front. Afghanistan was far and away the least of our problems, and became a larger problme the second we invaded.

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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    AQ was sheltered by the Taliban in power in A-stan, and allowed to freely train, and form their plots in return for a force of fighters to act as a pseudo protection force for the Taliban. After the attacks of 9/11 the US pressed the Taliban to turn over OBL, and they refused under UN sanctioned threat of attack. Why are trying to re write history Joe?


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    Not rewriting, correcting the misperception. The trainign there had little to nothing to do with America. The Taliban had no interest is us, but had benefitted from CIA trainign and continued that mindset. al Qaeda may well have taken advantage of it, but the 9/11 folks were not trained or launched fromt there. The came from SA (mostly), got Saudi and Pakistani money. Trianed here, learning to fly. Afgahnistan could have been a simple fix. Just destroy such camps. And as those camps gave nothing to the training and call that Iraq did, we lost the entire effort (if stopping trianing was our goal).

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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Sure, but you have to be more specific. The lsit of support for our enemies is large, and in the big picture, even comes from the home front. Afghanistan was far and away the least of our problems, and became a larger problme the second we invaded.

    so just so I have this straight, after 9/11, you would have asked that the Taliban turn over OBL, and when they refused like they did, you'd have what? tried to send in the SEALS? CIA? neither? Nothing?


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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not rewriting, correcting the misperception. The trainign there had little to nothing to do with America. The Taliban had no interest is us, but had benefitted from CIA trainign and continued that mindset. al Qaeda may well have taken advantage of it, but the 9/11 folks were not trained or launched fromt there. The came from SA (mostly), got Saudi and Pakistani money. Trianed here, learning to fly. Afgahnistan could have been a simple fix. Just destroy such camps. And as those camps gave nothing to the training and call that Iraq did, we lost the entire effort (if stopping trianing was our goal).

    So you'd have left them in place? That's nuts.


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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So you'd have left them in place? That's nuts.


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    They were npo threat to us, and were not interested. I'd have fixed the problem. Gone after OBL, and closed down al Qaeda.

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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    so just so I have this straight, after 9/11, you would have asked that the Taliban turn over OBL, and when they refused like they did, you'd have what? tried to send in the SEALS? CIA? neither? Nothing?


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    I'd have sent them in on 9/12. Gotten OBL and left. This would ahve done the job and sent the proper message without the excessive cost. And would have damaged al Qaeda far more. We don't need to help them recruit and train as we did in Iraq.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    They were npo threat to us, and were not interested. I'd have fixed the problem. Gone after OBL, and closed down al Qaeda.

    You'd have left the Taliban in place. Right?

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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'd have sent them in on 9/12. Gotten OBL and left. This would ahve done the job and sent the proper message without the excessive cost. And would have damaged al Qaeda far more. We don't need to help them recruit and train as we did in Iraq.
    Who is "them"?

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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You'd have left the Taliban in place. Right?

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    Yep. That is what I clearly said. But not all I said.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Who is "them"?

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    al Qaeda and our enemies. That too is clear.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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