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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yes, Democracy has to be desired and fought for by the inhabitants, or its just not going to take, I agree.

    Which inhabitants? If I remember my history, there were plenty of people in the New World that wanted no part of throwing out the King.
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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The obvious solution then is to go home and quit trying to run someone else's country.
    Certain groups of people will react that way. It doesn't matter what you do to "help" them, they're gonna want you off their property...NOW. Pronto

    The best answer IMO would have been to not stay in Afghanistan after striking them in 2001. Small scale operations and punitive strikes can be successful against such a culture...nation-building is, shall I say, quite difficult.

    To establish any success in Afghanistan, you would have to kill off or wait for the death of an entire generation or 2 and we are not going to do or wait for that

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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Kinda like how Obama came to power through our regime change here.
    I missed the foreign military occupation that attacked the previous regime before the last US presidential election. Got a link???
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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Which inhabitants? If I remember my history, there were plenty of people in the New World that wanted no part of throwing out the King.
    Well, evidently there were enough Americans willing to fight to throw out the King, unless I missed the ten year foreign military occupation that enabled us to establish a Democracy. Do you have a link to that as well???
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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I missed the foreign military occupation that attacked the previous regime before the last US presidential election. Got a link???
    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Well, evidently there were enough Americans willing to fight to throw out the King, unless I missed the ten year foreign military occupation that enabled us to establish a Democracy. Do you have a link to that as well???
    The point is, Catawba, that the transisition from dictatorship to democracy is never peaceful and never smooth. Nor, does everyone (indigenous) usually agree that it is the best path for their country. You can try to argue from minor and mostly irrelevant details if you like, but the reality is that our own Democracy, as well as every other, was earned through violence....usualy with the assistance of outside forces.
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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    The point is, Catawba, that the transisition from dictatorship to democracy is never peaceful and never smooth. Nor, does everyone (indigenous) usually agree that it is the best path for their country. You can try to argue from minor and mostly irrelevant details if you like, but the reality is that our own Democracy, as well as every other, was earned through violence....usualy with the assistance of outside forces.

    No, the point is unless the people are willing to fight for democracy, its not going to last. Especially in a country that has operated under tribal rule for the last 10,000 years.

    Still waiting on the link to the decade long foreign military occupation following the Revolutionary war that was needed to secure our freedom...........
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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No, the point is unless the people are willing to fight for democracy, its not going to last. Especially in a country that has operated under tribal rule for the last 10,000 years.
    Europe operated under tribal rule for the majority of it's history, too, and there are Afghans there dieing alongside Americans for their country.

    Still waiting on the link to the decade long foreign military occupation following the Revolutionary war that was needed to secure our freedom...........
    Still waiting for you to realize that this is of little consequence and that we are there, now, at the request of the Afghan govt.
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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No Juris Doctor? Not a Director of the CIA?
    Oh I see, so I have to have either to be a critical thinker concerning the directors job? That sir is an Appeal to Authority.

    I did not claim to know more than Panetta.
    I didn't either. But I am not the one claiming that two short years in Military Intelligence as a LT. qualifies him to run the CIA either.


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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Still waiting for you to realize that this is of little consequence and that we are there, now, at the request of the Afghan govt.
    The corrupt government that we helped install that can't stand against its own people without our military support.
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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    How long is a short year? Are two short years more than one long one?
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