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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    What are you guys even arguing about? Oil is running out.
    Maybe. The reality is there is much more unattainable oil down there that we can't get now...but will be able to when our technology advances.
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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I dunno? Can we? How long does it take?

    Anyways, we've done enough to hurt the planet...we might as well help it out when we can.
    According to this, it can be done pretty quickly:

    The smell is a mélange of midsummer corpse with fried-liver overtones and a distinct fecal note. It comes from the worst stuff in the world—turkey slaughterhouse waste. Rotting heads, gnarled feet, slimy intestines, and lungs swollen with putrid gases have been trucked here from a local Butterball packager and dumped into an 80-foot-long hopper with a sickening glorp. In about 20 minutes, the awful mess disappears into the workings of the thermal conversion process plant in Carthage, Missouri.

    Two hours later a much cleaner truck—an oil carrier—pulls up to the other end of the plant, and the driver attaches a hose to the truck's intake valve. One hundred fifty barrels of fuel oil, worth $12,600 wholesale, gush into the truck, headed for an oil company that will blend it with heavier fossil-fuel oils to upgrade the stock
    Of course, there's always a hitch, and in this case the hitch was that the process was more expensive than anticipated. Still, if costs can be brought down and/or if petroleum continues to go up in price, we just might see plants like this all over the country.
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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

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    According to this, it can be done pretty quickly:
    Why that sounds lovely

    Of course, there's always a hitch, and in this case the hitch was that the process was more expensive than anticipated. Still, if costs can be brought down and/or if petroleum continues to go up in price, we just might see plants like this all over the country.
    Yeah, I read elsewhere that the original costs were based on cheap source material. Of course, soon as farmers discovered the waste had value...they began charging for it. I've also read that all organic and recyclable waste, including plastics can be used in similar processes. That's awesome.
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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    You are preaching to the choir. How do you think a guy like me feels about these matters? Afghanistan was always the "Vietnam." It was never Iraq. Pakistan has revealed itself to be a true enemy to us on many levels, yet we continue to cut annual allowance to them and call them an ally. Almost half of the men killed in Afghanistan this year have been from cops who have turned on their handlers, yet we ctaer to Karzai's accusations and demands for annual money. Saudi Arabia is the source of hatred for most Arab radicals and serve to remind the faithful why they are supposed to hate everything except the House of Saud, yet we keep them in business and call them friends. I'm not confused.


    I am one of those who see our enemy throughout the region between Cairo and Islamabad. I also believe that like 9/11, Osama Bin Laden is merely a symptom of a larger disease. My enemy is that radical parent who teaches his children that Israel and the West is the culprit for all their problems. My enemy is the complete lack of general education throughout a region. My enemy is also a piece of Islam that is set so deeply in brittle concrete that it strangles the life blood out of families and society as their leaders use oil money for personal subsistance. But identifying the sysmptoms is more manageable isn't it? Putting a terrorist face to the event is far easier on the politics than accusing a failed civilization of it's inability to contribute to the modern world. We ignore the countless religious organizations throughout the region with members that hail from all over the region declaring grievances about everything from the existance of Islrael, to the West's intrusion on their cultures, to Japan's Pokemon as a character that leades children away from God. And make no mistake, the Middle East is getting worse. This "Arab Spring" may be the last effort of a people to reverse the path they are on. Of course, if they fail and prove to the world that a civilization of Arabs are unable to function in the modern world while keeping their brand of Islam unchanged, then they will lose the little bit of sympathy that too much of the world offers them today.

    As far as "nation building," I also believe in the British's tactic of old called "punitive strikes." Nation building works only if the population gets behind it for its own good. Obvious examples were Germany and Japan. But we aren't dealing with such civilized societies these days are we? The Middle East offers us societies that are struggling greatly with terms such as Nationalism, Democracy, Religion vs. State, Dictator, Caliphate, etc. You can't nation build a nation that is absolutely conflicted about what it wants. But we can simply punish and move on.






    Well, many innocent people die in war.
    Extremely well written and entirely accurate. Thank you

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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Maybe. The reality is there is much more unattainable oil down there that we can't get now...but will be able to when our technology advances.

    Sure and then we will tap that dry. What took millions to billions of years to create is being used over the course of a few hundred years with an escallation of use. It will run out. I say tap theirs before we tap ours.
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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    Sure and then we will tap that dry.
    Maybe, we don't really know how much is down there nor do we really know how quickly it replenishes.

    What took millions to billions of years to create is being used over the course of a few hundred years with an escallation of use. It will run out. I say tap theirs before we tap ours.
    The entirety of the reserves may have taken billions of years to create, but you don't have any idea how long one drop takes to be created.
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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Maybe, we don't really know how much is down there nor do we really know how quickly it replenishes.
    We know it came from dinosaurs and other such pressurized carbon. We also know that it takes an extremely long time to pressurize. It's just like diamonds. Eventually we will exhaust the finds because there is no replenishing without enormous amounts of time.


    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    The entirety of the reserves may have taken billions of years to create, but you don't have any idea how long one drop takes to be created.
    Our world needs seas of oil. One drop is useless.

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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    We know it came from dinosaurs and other such pressurized carbon. We also know that it takes an extremely long time to pressurize. It's just like diamonds. Eventually we will exhaust the finds because there is no replenishing without enormous amounts of time.
    It's more likely that it comes from decayed plant life.
    Where does oil really come from?


    Our world needs seas of oil. One drop is useless.
    The point is we don't know how fast it replenishes....how it replenishes, or if it replenishes.
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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    The point is we don't know how fast it replenishes....how it replenishes, or if it replenishes.
    the russians are claiming that many of their "pumped dry" oil fields have shown signs of regenerating. and it hasn't been millions of years since they drained them.
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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    the russians are claiming that many of their "pumped dry" oil fields have shown signs of regenerating. and it hasn't been millions of years since they drained them.
    The same has happened in other places...production seemed to be dropping but then picked back up later. As much as we like to pat ourselves on the back...we don't know everything yet.
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