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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    that would be like me saying:

    "you have failed to say that you don't eat babies.

    why do you refuse to say that you don't eat babies?"

    are you done playing childish & pathetic games, Rev?



    I don't eat babies.



    Now did these soldiers commit a war crime or not?

    Again. Your position which you are not denying is that the soldiers should ve condemned and the taliban that tried to kill them should be respected....

    Correct me if i am wrong.
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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    ...Now did these soldiers commit a war crime or not?....
    I never said that they did.

    Are we done here, Rev?

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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder
    so that means that for the most part, except for China, the Republic of China is a real state, governed by a legitimate government with legitimate rulers.
    So you're essentially arguing argumentum ad populum.

    You must consider the Congo Free State to have been "legitimate" as well, who was recognized as "legitimate" by the majority of European nations at the Berlin Conference.
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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    So you're essentially arguing argumentum ad populum....
    argumentum ad populum is not a logical fallacy in all cases.

    when it comes to non-scientific facts and non-historic truths, such as the legitimacy of a nation's govt., popular support by the international community does indeed have serious weight.

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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I never said that they did.

    Are we done here, Rev?

    Well, then Thunder, let's review what started this back and forth, because after some 12 damned pages of denial, and attack, some may not know what the hell you are talking about here....

    YOU said...

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder
    I think I have a right to condemn them when they take smiley photos next to the mangled bodies of their enemies.
    So without me parsing what you are saying here, why don't you explain it further so that we can be clear.


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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Is this thread about the trophy pics? or about inner DP personality squabbles? Because if it is the latter, I have better things to do.

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    for once, I totally agree with you. This is one childish game that you should probably avoid.

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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    for once, I totally agree with you. This is one childish game that you should probably avoid.

    What's that supposed to mean?


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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What's that supposed to mean?


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    it means that a petty, childish, pathetic, and ignorant game is being played here, and you should probably avoid it...as its pointless to get involved in.

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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    it means that a petty, childish, pathetic, and ignorant game is being played here, and you should probably avoid it...as its pointless to get involved in.

    Oh, ok, so you are just lookin' out for my best interests eh? I hardly think I am involved by just asking a question.


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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    most of the other nations on Earth, do.
    Legitimacy and illegitimacy have nothing to do with it. These are punch lines to the international joke. Power makes all things legitimate. The UN has power because the U.S.A. created it and allows it power. The laws of soveriegnty were first created to legitimize kings, kasiers and tsars. In other words, to preserve dictators from the threat of other dictators. In even more other words, it made bad behavior legitimate as long as it remained behind borders. This sorted out the need to preserve tyranny quite nicely until the world became globalized, starting with European colonization up through the Cold War to present day. Now we have an organization of our own creation telling us what is and is not legitimate and soveriegn in the world. The problem is that these international laws are ancient and the modern world is enslaved to them. Could this be because the United nations is an old man's country club full of dictators that rely on those ancient laws to preserve a false idea of stability? Well dictators die. Economic prosperity throughout the world relies on consistancy, which impies that true soveriegnty is less about a border and a king and far more about a people's ability to commercially preserve it. The U.S.A., as an example, goes from one leader to the next. But what remains constant is "the people."

    Saddam Hussein being legitimate or not had nothing to do with his threat to the oil flow from the Middle East to the rest of the world. He was obviously legitimate enough to preserve for over a decade later. The Taliban siezing power of Afghanistan (their country) made their power legitimate. Were it not for 9/11, Osama Bin Laden's power resided in blowing up our embassies (unmolested) and murdering our troops abroad. Attacking New York City in front of the world made his power legitimate.

    Our ideas of legitimacy, soveriegnty, and stability have been so twisted over the course of history that we haven't come to the realization that today's modern era demands a modern defintion. A surgeon wouldn't insist on open heart surgery with the surgical tool of the 19th century. Why in hell do we keep insisting that we approach international issues with 17th century laws and perspectives?
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