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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    The Taliban ruled Afghanistan, but their rule was illegal, illegitimate, and recognized by only three states.
    oh, well, alright then. Wow, even I am not as neoconservative as all that.

    Saddam Hussein's rule was illegal, illegitimate, and therefore we didn't invade Iraq, we just attacked Saddam. Ditto for all the other non-democratic regimes: Iran, Venezuela, China, Russia, Syria.... hell, by this measure no one has ever attacked anyone.




    whether or not we recognized their legitimacy has no bearing whatsoever on whether or not an invasion is an attack.

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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As neither country asked us to invade, yeah. We invaded those countries, took control, and put in place different people who could not have said, "No! You people go away!"

    That is reality. You seem to be trying to make an assertion that skips how we got here and what options were really available to the people of those countries.
    You simpky do not know what you are talking about. You should stop. Really.

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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
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    Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]Stop the personal attacks.
    Well, okay. Since you are being so nice about it. I shall.

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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ...Saddam Hussein's rule was illegal, illegitimate, and therefore we didn't invade Iraq, we just attacked Saddam.....
    wrong again buddy.

    Saddam's rule was indeed legal & legitimate & recognized by much of the international community for decades.

    hell, even the USA recognized his regime as okee dokee.

    try again, bud.

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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]


    that's why we didn't attack Afghanistan, only the illegitimate Taiban govt.
    LOL wtf kind of argument is this?
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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by MSgt View Post
    You do not know certain uncomfortable aspects of American history. Marines in the Pacific took an extreme few amount of prisoners. The Japanese were fond of concealing grenades on their person when surrendering because they did not surrender. All it took was Guadalcanal for Marines to learn to take no prisoners. On the way to Baghdad there were a few cases where Iraqi soldiers concealed grenades or used a surrenderer to intice Marines out into the open for ambush. A surrendering enemy is not always without threat and acts of war go beyond a Hollywood movie. When in doubt, you kill and come home. Dying for someone's idea of manners far away in combat is not acceptable. The most decisive wars in history were won because there was no more enemy to fight or to later destroy the peace.

    Thinking that we can get away with winning wars without killing is precisely why we have had trouble with every war since World War II (rediculous Gulf War being the exception). With the creation of the United Nations and coming off of the manner instructions of the Geneva Convention, we have deluded ourselves into believing that all the world thinks as we do. Nations like Iran hope that we maintain our ideas of the world until they achieve their nuclear goal. Men like Saddam Hussein hoped that we would keep convincing ourselves that we could just keep starving out his people and look the other way. There's no such thing as an unconditional surrender anymore because we fail to devistate our enemies and offer them condolensces and respirators instead.

    We are the USA. And this absolutely means that we need to maintain a sense of decency and proper conduct at all times, but too many Americans have a self deluded idea of what that means, which is why too many of our trained troops have to die needlessly. After all, when it comes down to it, who in the world has dropped two nuclear bombs on civilian populated cities? We wouldn't do this today. No, today we would ensure further blood shed to pretend an idea of oursleves and prolong the conflict to whatever end (or no end in many cases).

    Of course, one of the reasons the world convicts of our imperfections constantly is that they need us to be perfect in the absence of their own government's immoralities. By living up to this extremely high standard, we sacrifice our men constantly. And for what?
    You are one smart sonofabitch! I am glad you are on our side.

    Thank you.

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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post

    Maybe one day we'll get beyond war and learn to share this little fragile planet. That one day hasn't come yet. As long as there are civilizations who are sure that the rest of the world needs to adopt their way of life or else, we'll never get beyond war.

    Which is why the US needs to have a strong military, only use it when there is no other choice, and then go all out to win when we do use it. No touchy feely wars in which the goal is anything but total victory.
    Only the dead have seen an end to war -- G. Santayana

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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Only the dead have seen an end to war -- G. Santayana
    Sad but true.
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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I don't really understand where that question comes from. Explain please.
    **War on Terror** is an intentional PC mis-nomer. Terror is a tactic, you do not make war on tactics.

    By their very nature, terrorist cannot be defeated by waiting for the events to occur or arresting suspected terrorists for conspiracy or some such. Once the event occurs, the terrorist insurgent has already one - punishment is irrelevant.

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    Re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    **War on Terror** is an intentional PC mis-nomer. Terror is a tactic, you do not make war on tactics....
    that's because you either totally misunderstand or willfully mischaracterize what the War on Terror actually is.

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