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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh here we go....Don't want to upset the terrorist scum by offending them....


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    You consider the Afghans, who the Military has been trying to win their hearts and minds, to be terrorist scum???
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    "What it means to have honor, and dignity"????? What the Hell? Have you ever served? Would you serve?


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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Really? cuz, I don't see too much outcry about it, after all, you do realize that this is a three year old incident right? Where is the mobs burning the flag? chanting death to America over this? Or, even broadcast nightly on the news of the diplomatic kerfuffle? You know why you won't be able to cite one? Because there isn't any.


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    Yes, I realize this is a 3 year old incident, I brought that up posts ago. That doesn't change the fact that Afghans (non-terrorists) view that as a disrespectful act. Couple that with the pissing incident a little while ago and in the Afghans eyes, the U.S. is disrespectful.

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    No, I think a 50+ year old manual is irrelevant. What is the code of conduct?

    For the sake of general form, if they are NCO, it could result in an 892/A92. If they are CO, then it could result 933/A133. Otherwise, there is nothing expressly written within the UCMJs that forbids the taking of pictures of corpses, other than the most basic violation of pure common sense.

    892, or 933. I could reach for 893 under special circumstances, but it would be an amazing stretch and probably not worth the effort. Or, you could simply make the matter a 934/A134 and be done with it by noon tomorrow.
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yes, I realize this is a 3 year old incident, I brought that up posts ago. That doesn't change the fact that Afghans (non-terrorists) view that as a disrespectful act. Couple that with the pissing incident a little while ago and in the Afghans eyes, the U.S. is disrespectful.

    Yep, and some of the Afghan citizens that are not affiliated with the Taliban may think that. It wouldn't be the first time America has shed blood for a country only to have deplorable things said about that sacrifice as they enjoy life out from under the thumb of totalitarianism....So, what's your point? That there are dumb asses everywhere, including in our own Military, or in Afghanistan? No argument there. But, if you are trying to broad brush an entire society into the thoughts of some of the sympathetic to our enemies, or broad brush our Military into that of a few dumb asses that were out of control three damned years ago for God's sake, then you have no point other than to just criticize from the comfort of your home, safe, thousands of miles away.

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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Wow..... So you would ruin thier lives over them taking thier picture with a dead savage....
    No, they should be dishonorably discharged for putting their fellow soldiers and mission at risk. Without severe consequences for their actions, the behavior will be repeated in the future.
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Fortunately, what you think doesn't affect post war Afghanistan. However, what the Afghans think of the US will affect post war Afghanistan.

    That's the point you do not seem to get.
    I thoroughly "get it", Cat, and I am relatively certain that Democracy will remain. Funny thing, Democracy, it's infectious....
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

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    No, they should be dishonorably discharged for putting their fellow soldiers and mission at risk. Without severe consequences for their actions, the behavior will be repeated in the future.

    So now you have a crystal ball? You don't happen to see when and where do you? Because I'd like to know when to yawn.


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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    A corrupt Democracy is no better than a dictatorship IMO.
    The major difference is that a corrupt Democracy exists by the will of the people...and the people in a Democracy tend to not accept corruption for long. Our own history is evidence of that.

    Saddam was elected president for example. Who, are we to tell other countries at the end of a gun, how they must govern themselves?
    Who was Saddam's opponent?

    We can't even govern our own country very well. Ben Laden predicted that we would be defeated not on the battlefield, but by depleting our financial resources in continuous war. It seems some are set on proving him correct.
    Ben Laden?

    You've avoided the question again...Which Democracy has reverted to dictatorship?

    Do you know what "Bin" means in Arabic?
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    re: Photos show U.S. GIs posing with dead Afghans[W:1146]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yep, and some of the Afghan citizens that are not affiliated with the Taliban may think that. It wouldn't be the first time America has shed blood for a country only to have deplorable things said about that sacrifice as they enjoy life out from under the thumb of totalitarianism....So, what's your point? That there are dumb asses everywhere, including in our own Military, or in Afghanistan? No argument there. But, if you are trying to broad brush an entire society into the thoughts of some of the sympathetic to our enemies, or broad brush our Military into that of a few dumb asses that were out of control three damned years ago for God's sake, then you have no point other than to just criticize from the comfort of your home, safe, thousands of miles away.

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    My point is as it always has been that this, and the prvious pissing incident, can be damaging to our relationship with a country that we are trying to convince we are acting honorable towards.

    That is why I maintain it is important to instill in our military members the importance that an incident WE may not think is disrespectful could be seen that way to our allies.

    I don't think I have said anything out of line or that is not factually correct in that regard.

    The members of our military involved in these incidents should be corrected with NJP and then continue on with their careers better educated in not filming themselves doing dumb things.

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