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Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

muciti said:
I agree. They should have a system in place to verify the identity of those voting via absentee ballot.
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I predict that in states that have passed voter ID laws, the number of absentee voting will go way, way up in this Novembers election. In fact, I'll bet community organizers like ACORN (or what ever they call themselves now) will start pushing absentee voting to try and get their edge back.
 
Gie said:
What are you asking me that question for? Every time a person moves they have to get a new ID? Tell me, where is it that you don't already have to do this? Like you said before, I'm not sure and I'm not going to bother to look it up, but I'm pretty sure even in MO you have to change your address and get issued a new ID when you move. I'd even bet you have to do so in 30 days. That thing called "common sense" and "tribal knowledge" I was speaking about.
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https://sa.dor.mo.gov/coa/default.aspx?check=true

Please see the notification under "Records to be Updated, Driver's License"
This change includes instruction permits and nondriver licenses. You must complete a Driver License Application at a Missouri License Office if you want your Missouri Driver License to reflect your new address.
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Maybe it's just me but I have a difficult time interpreting that to mean, "You have to get a new license with your new address on it."

Here's the requirements for proving your current address when you get a license, which is pretty much the same one we use for acceptable identification when voting:
Missouri Residential Address: You have a variety of options to prove your current address. Examples include a recent utility bill (including phone, electric, gas, water, sewer, and cable), property tax receipt, most recent bank statement, voter ID card, or any official letter issued within the last 30 days by another state or local governmental agency on its letterhead. A Missouri residential address will be required each time you apply to renew a driver license, nondriver license, or instruction permit. If you are under the age of 21 and cannot provide verification of a Missouri residential address, a parent or legal guardian may provide such a document on your behalf.
• Resident address is the location at which a person has been physically present, and that the person regards as home. A residential address is a person’s true, fixed, principal, and permanent home, to which a person intends to return and remain, even though currently residing elsewhere.
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Maybe you should just accept that not all States are as anal retentive as others. It's fairly common around here for a LEO to ask "Is this your current address?"

But you were right, it had been awhile since I'd actually checked. Now I have, nothing has changed.

http://dor.mo.gov/pdf/Chapter1.pdf -> page 12 or PDF Pg 5/15

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Gie said:
I asked you what the source for your claim was?
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How many more links do you want to the same article in a different paper? They all read pretty much the same:
A 2009 study by the secretary of state's office estimated around 230,000 Missourians are registered to vote but lack a government-issued photo ID. Many of those would have no problem getting a photo ID, but many others could have financial or other barriers that keep them from doing so, said Laura Egerdal, spokeswoman for Secretary of State Robin Carnahan, who opposes a photo ID requirement to vote. While the proposed amendment would mean the state would pay for photo IDs for these voters, the underlying documents required could be expensive or even impossible to obtain, she said.
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The desenting opinion:
Stouffer said he has doubts about the secretary of state's figures and that he'd be "really shocked" if more than 200,000 Missourians were registered to vote but didn't have a photo ID.
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It's easy to read between the lines here. If Stouffer & Co (they're the ones pushing the photo ID) thought they could easily show "150,000" or "less than 150,000" or "100,000" then they would have said so. Apparently they can't. I'm guessing 200,000 is pretty close to right. If you have or know of better information about Missouri voters I'd be more than happy to read it. If it's about California or Maine then I don't care because I don't live there.
 
Gie said:
Netflix does not need your state ID or state Drivers License, they go for the short hairs of "identity" proof! Your banking and credit details. Which you agree to in order to join. :doh

I'll tell you this much, if you had to prove who you are in order to vote by supplying the same info you have to in order to join Netflix? I bet we would have some calls for election reform then and from all quarters! LOL.

Yip checks are those things people use to pay bills like mortgages with. Since you know what one is, what kind of question is what is a check? I get that you are trying to be cute, which is not really working for me, but could you try to at least be informed?
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"Everybody" has constantly claimed you have to have a photo ID just to get along in today's society and I said that's bull because I do it all the time. Except for the simple fact that I do have a driver's license I would NOT need photo ID to get along in my everyday life.
- Netflix does not require photo ID.
- QT does not require photo ID when I fill the tank. (I use my CC*; *debit card, actually, not that it's any of your business).
- The grocery store will actually hand out extra cash (up to $40) just by using my CC* for a purchase.
- The only check I write anymore is to my mortgage company, so that's a damn lame excuse for anyone trying to insist people have to have a photo ID to get along in today's society.

Like I said, I haven't shown anyone my ID since I got pulled over for speeding in 2006. If I wasn't driving I would never need one. Bus passes don't require one, taxi driver's don't require one. All limo companies need is a CC number, so they don't require a photo ID, either. In other words, as you just pointed out, there are other forms of ID, like credit and debit cards.

-- People may have to use some form of ID to get along in everyday life but a photo ID need not be one of them.

((Ed: No, I did not count using my DL for voting because I could just as easily use my free voter ID card, which is not photo ID.))
Gie said:
I don't think you have a reasonable clue about what the laws in your own state are about IDs. I think this is another example of something you have not "looked up" and "don't plan to". Or called an old friend about yet. Please do.
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I may not have been up to date on what SS required in the 1980s since I wasn't there doing it. I finally found someone who was there and did it and asked them what it was like. Then, I did what a lot of people here wouldn't do, admit flat-out that I was wrong. You want me to beg your forgiveness, now?? **** off!

That doesn't mean I haven't lived a long life, right here within 30 miles of where I was born. You talk about "common sense" and "tribal knowledge", well, there it is. If there had been some major change in ID laws I would have heard about it from simple word of mouth. But I took your advise and looked it up. I provided references to what I looked up. Nothing has changed. (Well, I did find out we can change our address on-line, now. :)) Is there anything else about Missouri you'd like help with?
 
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MoSurveyor said:
https://sa.dor.mo.gov/coa/default.aspx?check=true

Please see the notification under "Records to be Updated, Driver's License"

Maybe it's just me but I have a difficult time interpreting that to mean, "You have to get a new license with your new address on it."

Here's the requirements for proving your current address when you get a license, which is pretty much the same one we use for acceptable identification when voting:
Maybe you should just accept that not all States are as anal retentive as others. It's fairly common around here for a LEO to ask "Is this your current address?"

But you were right, it had been awhile since I'd actually checked. Now I have, nothing has changed.

http://dor.mo.gov/pdf/Chapter1.pdf -> page 12 or PDF Pg 5/15
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It looks to me like you can't really say if one is or one is not required, ever, to change their address if they live in MO. Based upon your last post, I guess if one moved someone place else, or to a couple of other some places else over the years, you are saying in MO one can still claim their old address from 20 years ago as their current address? I wonder what the people who moved to into an "old" address do when they arrive at your old address, but it is supposed to be theirs? Do they just collect old mail addressed to people that the state thinks still live there and does this mean they can go to the polls and vote as them too? Pay the property taxes on the property for them as well? I mean, just what are you saying is the system in MO, or is there one that addresses this most common place of events? In short, what did you really mean to ask me? I should just accept that some states, like MO as you seem to be arguing, are more ass backwards than others? Seriously, what gave you the idea that I would disagree with that idea?

Psst, don't look now but your "link" seems to say something entirely different than what you just argued. Why would MO require you as is stated on page 12 of your link, to change your address when you move to a new address, if you are not required to change your address when you move to a new address? Seriously, did you even *think* about this before you posted it?

MoSurveyor said:
How many more links do you want to the same article in a different paper? They all read pretty much the same:
The desenting opinion: It's easy to read between the lines here. If Stouffer & Co (they're the ones pushing the photo ID) thought they could easily show "150,000" or "less than 150,000" or "100,000" then they would have said so. Apparently they can't. I'm guessing 200,000 is pretty close to right. If you have or know of better information about Missouri voters I'd be more than happy to read it. If it's about California or Maine then I don't care because I don't live there.
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I asked you what the source to your claim that "lots of old people don't even have a photo ID" was? Since that was the first time you have submitted any link at all, I guess I'd say it will only take once for you to submit a link to a study or something that supports your claim. Are you saying that the MO drivers license code is now a study complete with "dissenting opinions" or it is an article? You just claimed it is both. Which is it, and where does it support your assertion that most old folks don't have an ID? Not on either of the pages you said it does. Did you actually read this "article/study" you just linked? Because it does not even contain a page 5 of 15, it starts at page 8. Page 12 says that each time you apply for a new DL in MO you have to update your address. Also, the quote you just supplied is not contained within the link you just supplied.


MoSurveyor said:
"Everybody" has constantly claimed you have to have a photo ID just to get along in today's society and I said that's bull because I do it all the time. Except for the simple fact that I do have a driver's license I would NOT need photo ID to get along in my everyday life.
- Netflix does not require photo ID.
- QT does not require photo ID when I fill the tank. (I use my CC*; *debit card, actually, not that it's any of your business).
- The grocery store will actually hand out extra cash (up to $40) just by using my CC* for a purchase.
- The only check I write anymore is to my mortgage company, so that's a damn lame excuse for anyone trying to insist people have to have a photo ID to get along in today's society.

Like I said, I haven't shown anyone my ID since I got pulled over for speeding in 2006. If I wasn't driving I would never need one. Bus passes don't require one, taxi driver's don't require one. All limo companies need is a CC number, so they don't require a photo ID, either. In other words, as you just pointed out, there are other forms of ID, like credit and debit cards.

-- People may have to use some form of ID to get along in everyday life but a photo ID need not be one of them.

((Ed: No, I did not count using my DL for voting because I could just as easily use my free voter ID card, which is not photo ID.))
I may not have been up to date on what SS required in the 1980s since I wasn't there doing it. I finally found someone who was there and did it and asked them what it was like. Then, I did what a lot of people here wouldn't do, admit flat-out that I was wrong. You want me to beg your forgiveness, now?? **** off!

That doesn't mean I haven't lived a long life, right here within 30 miles of where I was born. You talk about "common sense" and "tribal knowledge", well, there it is. If there had been some major change in ID laws I would have heard about it from simple word of mouth. But I took your advise and looked it up. I provided references to what I looked up. Nothing has changed. (Well, I did find out we can change our address on-line, now. :)) Is there anything else about Missouri you'd like help with?
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The rest of your lecture about MO and how people don't need ID is wonderfully non sequitur. Arguing that things need to stay ass backwards like they are in your 30 mile radius is not exactly a very good one for not reforming the requirements to provide proof you are who you say you are when you vote. Even in MO. While I'm thrilled that your discussion with me spurred you to get off your ass and educate yourself about the stuff you speaking about, it does beggar an obvious question. You trying to prove that AdamT is not the only Google Commando that can copy urls to vast amounts of material he is not conversant about and which does not support his internet postures? Lastly, who the hell told you that you needed to beg for forgiveness?
 
lunchbox said:
What do you make of this?

The Cutting Edge News
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I would say that it doesn't establish that non-citizens are voting, and I'd note that the author is behind a ton of this pro-voter ID literature. Sort of like citing Al Sharpton on an issue of affirmative action....

Hans A. von Spakovsky (born March 11, 1959) is an American attorney and a former member of the Federal Election Commission (FEC). He was nominated to the FEC by President George W. Bush on December 15, 2005 and was appointed by recess appointment on January 4, 2006.[1]

However, von Spakovsky's nomination was opposed by Senate Democrats, who argued that his oversight of voter laws was unacceptably partisan and that he had consistently acted to disenfranchise poor and minority voters.[2][3] Opposition to the nomination was bolstered by objections from career Justice Department staff, who accused von Spakovsky of politicizing his nominally non-partisan office to an unprecedented degree.[4]

While von Spakovsky and the Bush Administration denied the accusations of partisanship, the nomination was withdrawn on May 15, 2008.[5] Von Spakovsky subsequently joined the staff of the Heritage Foundation, a politically conservative think tank.

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Von Spakovsky received his recess appointment by President Bush to the FEC in January 2006. His confirmation hearings were contentious, as Democratic Senators criticized von Spakovsky's Justice Department tenure and accused him of partisanship.[11] A group of career Justice Department staff wrote a letter to the Senate arguing against von Spakovsky's appointment, saying that he "played a major role in the implementation of practices which injected partisan political factors into decision-making on enforcement matters and into the hiring process, and included repeated efforts to intimidate career staff."[12][13][14] In response to questioning from the Senate, von Spakovsky repeatedly asserted that he could not remember or recall his involvement in various controversial Justice Department decisions, drawing comparisons to the testimony of former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales.

Hans A. von Spakovsky - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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lunchbox said:
What do you make of this?

The Cutting Edge News
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Nice find... Let me post some of the highlights:

In 2005, the U.S. Government Accountability Office found that up to 3 percent of the 30,000 individuals called for jury duty from voter registration rolls over a two-year period in just one U.S. district court were not U.S. citizens.

the Cen*sus Bureau estimates that there are over a million illegal aliens in Florida, and the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) has prosecuted more non-citizen voting cases in Florida than in any other state.

Following a mayor's race in Compton, California, for example, aliens testi*fied under oath in court that they voted in the elec*tion.

a 1996 congressional race in California may have been stolen by non-citizen voting... Democrat Lor*etta Sanchez. Sanchez won the election by just 979 votes, and Dornan contested the election in the U.S. House of Representatives. His challenge was dismissed after an investigation by the House Com*mittee on Oversight and Government Reform turned up only 624 invalid votes by non-citizens who were present in the U.S. Immigration and Nat*uralization Service (INS) database because they had applied for citizenship, as well as another 124 improper absentee ballots. The investigation, however, could not detect illegal aliens, who were not in the INS records.

a federal grand jury in 1984 that found large numbers of aliens regis*tered to vote in Chicago... The U.S. Attorney at the time estimated that there were at least 80,000 illegal aliens registered to vote in Chicago, and dozens were indicted and convicted for registering and voting.
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Now for the grand finale'... The two money quotes:

Those who ignore the implications of non-citizen registration and voting either are willfully blind to the problem or may actually favor this form of illegal voting.

Some Americans argue that alien voting is a non*existent problem or dismiss reported cases of non-citizen voting as unimportant because, they claim, there are no cases in which non-citizens "intention*ally" registered to vote or voted "while knowing that they were ineligible." Even if this latter claim were true—which it is not—every vote cast by a non-citizen, whether an illegal alien or a resident alien legally in the country, dilutes or cancels the vote of a citizen and thus disenfranchises him or her.
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Got it?

By opposing voter ID's, the left not only supports election and voter fraud, but they are the ones who are actually disenfranchising voters.
 
AdamT said:
I would say that it doesn't establish that non-citizens are voting.
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Oh really? I guess you must have skipped over these parts:

...the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) has prosecuted more non-citizen voting cases in Florida than in any other state

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...the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform turned up only 624 invalid votes by non-citizens who were present in the U.S. Immigration and Nat*uralization Service (INS) database...
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I suppose your going to say that the "House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform" and the "U.S. Department of Justice" are nothing but a bunch of right wing bigots and racists who are not to be believed... Right Adam?
 
AdamT said:
I would say that it doesn't establish that non-citizens are voting, and I'd note that the author is behind a ton of this pro-voter ID literature. Sort of like citing Al Sharpton on an issue of affirmative action....
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Can you come up with a more credible source than Wikipedia? The dictionary that anyone can edit?
 
Grim17 said:
Oh really? I guess you must have skipped over these parts:




I suppose your going to say that the "House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform" and the "U.S. Department of Justice" are nothing but a bunch of right wing bigots and racists who are not to be believed... Right Adam?
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Prosecuted does not mean convicted. There have been quite a few of these accusations and they invariably turn up little or nothing. In Texas, for example -- a state with plenty of illegal immigrants -- a multiyear investigation turned up no examples of illegals voting. If it was happening it would be discovered. Also in Texas:

A good example of "the phamtom menace" can be found by looking at a tight Texas House race in 2004. The outcome was contested, and every vote in question was scrutinized. In the end, out of 41,000 votes cast, only 105 votes were deemed "fraudulent." Of these "fraudulent" votes, 96 were by people voting in the wrong precinct. More importantly, there were no cases of voter impersonation at all.
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Voter impersonation is a phantom worry in Texas - Houston Chronicle
 
AdamT said:
I would say that it doesn't establish that non-citizens are voting, and I'd note that the author is behind a ton of this pro-voter ID literature. Sort of like citing Al Sharpton on an issue of affirmative action....
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awesome now you arefinding excuses to ignore evidence from opposition,but cite one of the most disputed sources as a rebuttle:lamo
 
beerftw said:
awesome now you arefinding excuses to ignore evidence from opposition,but cite one of the most disputed sources as a rebuttle:lamo
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WTF are you talking about? The Houston Chronicle is one of the most disputed sources?
 
AdamT said:
WTF are you talking about? The Houston Chronicle is one of the most disputed sources?
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you cited wikipedia,now you are denying your own sources like we arent smart enough to go back a few posts and read.

my god im drunk and i can figure out your farse.
 
beerftw said:
you cited wikipedia,now you are denying your own sources like we arent smart enough to go back a few posts and read.

my god im drunk and i can figure out your farse.
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I can believe you're drunk, anyway. :lol:
 
Follow along Adam...

QUESTION: What did the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform turn up from one California district?
ANSWER: 624 invalid votes by non-citizens.


QUESTION: Is this quote from Adam "I would say that it (the article that contained the above information) doesn't establish that non-citizens are voting" a true statement?
ANSWER: No, it is a false statement.

The first step to recovery Adam, is admitting you have a ideological problem and facing the dishonesty that ideology forces you to have to embrace.
 
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In 2005, the U.S. Government Accountability Office found that up to 3 percent of the 30,000 individuals called for jury duty from voter registration rolls over a two-year period in just one U.S. district court were not U.S. citizens.
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The 2005 report features data from 14 U.S. district courts.
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Due to the lack of concrete data, 6 of the 14 gave no information to the GAO. Of the remaining 8 jurisdictions, 4 of them had never witnessed non-citizens who had been called to serve on a jury. Ten of the 14 district courts surveyed, then, could offer no evidence whatsoever of non-citizens in jury pools.
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Ignoring this, von Spakovsky presents isolated data from just one of these fourteen jurisdictions. Further, 3 of the 4 courts that did report non-citizens in their jury pools estimated that non-citizens comprised, respectively, approximately 1%, 0.158%, and 0.01% of the jury pool.

https://www.maldef.org/truthinimmigration/Rebuttal_to_Heritage_Foundation.pdf

Grim17 Quoting Article said:
a 1996 congressional race in California may have been stolen by non-citizen voting... Democrat Lor*etta Sanchez. Sanchez won the election by just 979 votes, and Dornan contested the election in the U.S. House of Representatives. His challenge was dismissed after an investigation by the House Com*mittee on Oversight and Government Reform turned up only 624 invalid votes by non-citizens who were present in the U.S. Immigration and Nat*uralization Service (INS) database because they had applied for citizenship, as well as another 124 improper absentee ballots. The investigation, however, could not detect illegal aliens, who were not in the INS records.
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Von Spakovsky essentially ignores the Committee’s conclusion that the Sanchez/Dornan race was not compromised and that non-citizens did not vote in significant numbers. Instead, he speculates, without offering supporting evidence, that votes from undocumented immigrants probably accounted for the remaining votes. What he fails to note, moreover, is that 372 of the disputed noncitizen votes were cast by individuals who were officially sworn in as U.S. citizens before Election Day.

https://www.maldef.org/truthinimmigration/Rebuttal_to_Heritage_Foundation.pdf



That's just two, I'm not wasting anymore of my time chasing down what should have already been vetted articles by dubious authors.

In case you want to attack my source, note that they do give footnotes, if you care to rebut them.
 
BWG said:
The 2005 report features data from 14 U.S. district courts....
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Thanks for stepping in. I'm already suffering from carpal tunnel from b-slapping Grim repeatedly, so the rest is appreciated. :lol:
 
Grim17 said:
Follow along Adam...

QUESTION: What did the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform turn up from one California district?
ANSWER: 624 invalid votes by non-citizens.


QUESTION: Is this quote from Adam "I would say that it (the article that contained the above information) doesn't establish that non-citizens are voting" a true statement?
ANSWER: No, it is a false statement.

The first step to recovery Adam, is admitting you have a ideological problem and facing the dishonesty that ideology forces you to have to embrace.
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do you have the name of that case,or the politicians involved.i have been trying to find articles on it for a while and google results are flooded with the okeefe arguments so i have not been able to find thee articles solely on searching california voter fraud.

btw in that case there were 4700 votes suspected that were thrown out by the judge before they could be verified.
 
beerftw said:
do you have the name of that case,or the politicians involved.i have been trying to find articles on it for a while and google results are flooded with the okeefe arguments so i have not been able to find thee articles solely on searching california voter fraud.

btw in that case there were 4700 votes suspected that were thrown out by the judge before they could be verified.
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Conclusion: Adam stands by his false statement in order to justify opposing laws to prevent voter fraud.

Again... Bye Adam.
 
Gie said:
It looks to me like you can't really say if one is or one is not required, ever, to change their address if they live in MO. Based upon your last post, I guess if one moved someone place else, or to a couple of other some places else over the years, you are saying in MO one can still claim their old address from 20 years ago as their current address? I wonder what the people who moved to into an "old" address do when they arrive at your old address, but it is supposed to be theirs? Do they just collect old mail addressed to people that the state thinks still live there and does this mean they can go to the polls and vote as them too? Pay the property taxes on the property for them as well? I mean, just what are you saying is the system in MO, or is there one that addresses this most common place of events? In short, what did you really mean to ask me? I should just accept that some states, like MO as you seem to be arguing, are more ass backwards than others? Seriously, what gave you the idea that I would disagree with that idea?

Psst, don't look now but your "link" seems to say something entirely different than what you just argued. Why would MO require you as is stated on page 12 of your link, to change your address when you move to a new address, if you are not required to change your address when you move to a new address? Seriously, did you even *think* about this before you posted it?

I asked you what the source to your claim that "lots of old people don't even have a photo ID" was? Since that was the first time you have submitted any link at all, I guess I'd say it will only take once for you to submit a link to a study or something that supports your claim. Are you saying that the MO drivers license code is now a study complete with "dissenting opinions" or it is an article? You just claimed it is both. Which is it, and where does it support your assertion that most old folks don't have an ID? Not on either of the pages you said it does. Did you actually read this "article/study" you just linked? Because it does not even contain a page 5 of 15, it starts at page 8. Page 12 says that each time you apply for a new DL in MO you have to update your address. Also, the quote you just supplied is not contained within the link you just supplied.

The rest of your lecture about MO and how people don't need ID is wonderfully non sequitur. Arguing that things need to stay ass backwards like they are in your 30 mile radius is not exactly a very good one for not reforming the requirements to provide proof you are who you say you are when you vote. Even in MO. While I'm thrilled that your discussion with me spurred you to get off your ass and educate yourself about the stuff you speaking about, it does beggar an obvious question. You trying to prove that AdamT is not the only Google Commando that can copy urls to vast amounts of material he is not conversant about and which does not support his internet postures? Lastly, who the hell told you that you needed to beg for forgiveness?
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If this simple statement ...
MoSurveyor said:
http://dor.mo.gov/pdf/Chapter1.pdf -> page 12 or PDF Pg 5/15
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seems perplexing to you then it's no wonder you had trouble comprehending the rest of my post. As you noted, "it starts at page 8".

page/PDF Pg
8 ..... 1
9 ..... 2
10 ... 3
11 ... 4
12 ... 5


Another simple concept, three different possible addresses:
- real, physical address
- physical card (state issued license)
- government database

The on-line 'change of address' form I linked shows your Missouri driver's license (physical card) does not need to be updated when you change your official address (government database). Note that getting a new state issued license costs money, it is not free.
Quote from on-line 'change of address' form:
This change includes instruction permits and nondriver licenses. You must complete a Driver License Application at a Missouri License Office if you want your Missouri Driver License to reflect your new address.
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As far as I know there is no requirement to ever change or register an official address. This isn't the USSR nor is it a George Orwell novel! If you want to call that "ass backward" then so be it.

There are certain requirements you must meet if you want to do certain things. For example, if you want to legally drive you are required to have a current driver's license, which will require you to provide certain current information among other things (like taking a test). If you want to vote (voting is not a requirement of residency) I believe Missouri voting laws require you to register to vote at your current address (real, physical address) six months or more before election day. If you move within six months of election day I believe you can vote as if you resided at your old address. Since anyone moving into your old address would not have been registered to vote at that address six months prior to election day this would not create a duplicate vote.
To avoid being called a "Google Commando" or other seemingly derogatory name again, I will let you get off your ass and provide documentation to the contrary if you disagree with my understanding of Missouri voting laws.



I showed the source of this quote:
A 2009 study by the secretary of state's office estimated around 230,000 Missourians are registered to vote but lack a government-issued photo ID. Many of those would have no problem getting a photo ID, but many others could have financial or other barriers that keep them from doing so, said Laura Egerdal, spokeswoman for Secretary of State Robin Carnahan, who opposes a photo ID requirement to vote. While the proposed amendment would mean the state would pay for photo IDs for these voters, the underlying documents required could be expensive or even impossible to obtain, she said.
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But here it is again for those of you having trouble:
MoSurveyor said:
Here's the state of affairs here, including the failed attempt in 2006 to make us have a photo ID to vote.
Lawmakers put photo ID amendment on Mo. ballot
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beerftw said:
btw in that case there were 4700 votes suspected that were thrown out by the judge before they could be verified.
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Maybe you missed it, but the point was that illegal aliens DO VOTE in elections, which directly shoots down Adam's claim that they don't.
 
Grim17 said:
Maybe you missed it, but the point was that illegal aliens DO VOTE in elections, which directly shoots down Adam's claim that they don't.
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Really? Where is the evidence? I don't mean ACCUSATIONS -- I mean PROOF. The Dornan election was investigated by Congress for over a year and they came to no conclusion. There is evidence that some of the alleged non-citizens were in fact citizens. And it appears that others may have been mistakenly registered before they were naturalized, but they became citizens before the election. Contested Contest | PBS NewsHour | Oct. 22, 1997 | PBS

So please provide a link showing the convictions of non-citizens who voted or STFU. :popcorn2:

The Orange County district attorney also began a fraud investigation to determine whether the community organization Hermandad Mexicana Nacional deliberately set out to register illegal immigrants and send them to the polls. In December, a grand jury refused to indict anyone.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/campaigns/keyraces98/stories/cahouse020598.htm
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Grim17 said:
Maybe you missed it, but the point was that illegal aliens DO VOTE in elections, which directly shoots down Adam's claim that they don't.
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no i got the point,i already know about that case,and the verified number of illegal voters,and the 4700 potential illegal voters,i just for the life of me cant remember which election it was or the names of the politicians involved.
 
beerftw said:
no i got the point,i already know about that case,and the verified number of illegal voters,and the 4700 potential illegal voters,i just for the life of me cant remember which election it was or the names of the politicians involved.
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It was an Orange County, CA congressional election between Dornan and Sanchez. There was no "verified number of illegal voters".
 
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