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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    Of course that won't matter to AdamT, he is repeating a stance he has taken before, it was addressed and debunked then. So like many a true internet debater, he just wipes the whole affair from his brain ala pbrauer style and simply repeats the ploy, freshly ignorant about a single thing demonstrated and shown to him when last he trotted out the sad little dog that don't hunt.

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    Id's are required for many transactions and for traveling. Dems seem to have no problem with ID's for those actions. It is a unrealistic stance to say it hurts the poor. States issue ID's for non drivers at little to no cost to help the less fortunate have some form of ID.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    So what, I wasn't supposed to comment on it?! I agree that neither side did a very good job of presenting their case, but there are several major studies, and other court cases, demonstrating that people are disenfranchised by voter ID laws. And just because they may not be unconstitutional doesn't mean that they are a good idea. Personally I think that "not unconstitutional" isn't a great rationale for government regulation.
    Too bad if some people are disenfranchised. If they can't figure out how to get an I.D.? They're too stupid to vote. And I want proof, not a study!! that shows clearly that people are disenfranchised by the voter I.D. laws. You got none. You got studies. Sorry, doesn't wash.

    Personally, I think anybody who believes people should be able to vote without identifying themselves at the polls holds a ridiculous position.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Uh, that is absolutely insane. You are actually saying that you want government to enact laws when there is absolutely no demonstrated problem?
    No problem for democrats maybe, but the rest of us would rather insure that dead people, convicted felons and illegal aliens haven't voted BEFORE someone is declared the winner and takes office.


    How about they pass a law requiring you to wear a helmet to protect you from falling space junk? I mean, it's never happened but it would just be CRAZY to take the chance!
    Anything to legitimize opposition to laws stopping democrats from cheating.

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

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    You asked, and now you know. It does happen. (I only posted one. didn't want to do all your work for you

    LAKE COUNTY, Ill. - An illegal alien from the Philippines was arrested Thursday morning on a felony complaint charging her with 17 counts related to voter fraud in Lake County. The state charges resulted from a joint investigation conducted by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement's (ICE) Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) and the Lake County State's Attorneys Office. U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) also provided assistance.

    Maria Azada, 53, of Grayslake, Ill., was arrested March 17 by ICE HSI agents and a Lake County State's Attorneys special investigator. Azada faces 17 felony counts in Lake County Circuit Court of perjury, mutilation of election materials, and tampering with voting machines in connection with illegal voting by a non-U.S. citizen.

    The investigation began in February 2009 when Azada admitted to a USCIS officer during an interview for an immigration benefit that she had voted in an election. It is illegal for foreign nationals to vote in national or state elections in the United States.


    Illegal alien arrested, charged with voter fraud
    Well, that's an arrest -- not a conviction. If connvicted she will likely serve prison time and/or be deported. Seems like a pretty good deterrent to me. And it is one example.

    But we've been through all this before, and at the end of the day there are probably fewer than 100 cases of people being convicted of voter impersonation in the last 30 years. Is it worth spending tens of millions of dollars disenfranchising hundreds of thousands of people to stop a handful of fraudulent votes? No, it isn't. This is only being done to disenfranchise Democratic voters. Same reason Republicans are so hell-bent on killing the unions.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    What this boils down to is Dem's want illegals to vote.

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Too bad if some people are disenfranchised. If they can't figure out how to get an I.D.? They're too stupid to vote. And I want proof, not a study!! that shows clearly that people are disenfranchised by the voter I.D. laws. You got none. You got studies. Sorry, doesn't wash.

    Personally, I think anybody who believes people should be able to vote without identifying themselves at the polls holds a ridiculous position.
    What do you think is in the studies? Hint: proof. Here's one: http://www.truthaboutfraud.org/pdf/T...VoterFraud.pdf

    And another study showing that, even if people are concerned about voter fraud, they aren't particularly convinced that photo ID laws will make a difference: http://hlr.rubystudio.com/media/pdf/...re_persily.pdf
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by Gie View Post
    Of course that won't matter to AdamT, he is repeating a stance he has taken before, it was addressed and debunked then. So like many a true internet debater, he just wipes the whole affair from his brain ala pbrauer style and simply repeats the ploy, freshly ignorant about a single thing demonstrated and shown to him when last he trotted out the sad little dog that don't hunt.

    Ah the internet.......................
    If only saying it made it so, you would be a stellar debater. As it stands, however, you can't support your argument. Not that some won't be swayed by a vague and false reference to unspecified posts past.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Too bad if some people are disenfranchised. If they can't figure out how to get an I.D.? They're too stupid to vote. And I want proof, not a study!! that shows clearly that people are disenfranchised by the voter I.D. laws. You got none. You got studies. Sorry, doesn't wash.

    Personally, I think anybody who believes people should be able to vote without identifying themselves at the polls holds a ridiculous position.
    Hey, maybe they should have to take a test, too, or pay a poll tax? Or run an obstacle course? If people are too lazy to get in shape and run an obstacle course why should YOU allow them to vote?

    Give me a ****ing break. If you think that the government should pass laws to address problems that don't exist then you have a serious problem.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    What do you think is in the studies? Hint: proof. Here's one: http://www.truthaboutfraud.org/pdf/T...VoterFraud.pdf

    And another study showing that, even if people are concerned about voter fraud, they aren't particularly convinced that photo ID laws will make a difference: http://hlr.rubystudio.com/media/pdf/...re_persily.pdf
    I don't care about studies any more than those who oppose voter I.D.'s care about studies and actual proof. So take your studies and file them. It is common sense. Pure, simple common sense. It's not racist, it's not attempting to disenfranchise voters. It's just pure and simple common sense. Sorry most liberals don't have any. (And I never attack groups, btw. But in this instance? I am appalled.)

    The fact that I can walk into my polling place, introduce myself and get a ballot? Ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. And never the twains shall meet. I get it. But I will support any and all efforts by legislatures nationwide to get voter i.d. legislation through.
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    Re: Appeals Court Upholds Arizona's Voter ID Requirement

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    So what, I wasn't supposed to comment on it?! I agree that neither side did a very good job of presenting their case, but there are several major studies, and other court cases, demonstrating that people are disenfranchised by voter ID laws. And just because they may not be unconstitutional doesn't mean that they are a good idea. Personally I think that "not unconstitutional" isn't a great rationale for government regulation.
    Yeah. Frauds are disenfranchised. Not a credible study that says otherwise.

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